Petrus Johannes Roets - Children by two wives

1886 DN of Cornelia 'Neeltjie' Christina Roets

* Probate 1886 Buffelsvlei, Humansdorp, Cape Province, South Africa 28 Deceased 12 Apr 1886
* b 1858 (est) Plakperdis Harrismith

* Johannes Jooste Parent
* Anna Catharina Van Dyk Parent

* Petrus Johannes Roets Spouse

* Johannes Nicolaas Jacobus Child
* Johannes Cornelis Michiel Child
* Anna Catharina Child
* Petrus Johannes Child
* Frans Jacobus Child
* Sophia Adriana Child
* Christoffel Child
* Christiaan Child
(alles onmondig)

Signed PJRoets

Aug 1939 DN of Petrus Johannes Roets
* b Harrismith OFS
* 87 yrs 8 mnths Plaasboer
* Woon Brakpan
* x Johanna Petronella Roets (b Fourie)
* d 17 Aug 1939
* 1. Maria Magdalena Bezuidenhout
* 2.Johanna Pietronella Bronkhorst
* 3.Elsie Soesara Greyling
* 4.Susana Johanna Smilian
* 5.Petrus Johannes Roets
* 6.Pietronella Stidbury
* 7.Stefanus Roets
* 8.Sofia Adriana Hearne
* 9.Gert Jakobus Roets
* 10.Hesther Cathrina Coetxee
* 11.Cristina Le Roux
* 12.Renska Redley

Signed J.Roets (weduwee en teenwoordig by tyd van dood)

Nov 1939 DN of Johanna Petronella Roets (geb Fourie),
Born Fauresmith, OVS
70 yrs 10 mnths
Weduwee Petrus Johannes Roets 17 Aug 1939 oorlede
Sterfdag 19 Nov 1939
1. Maria Magdalena Bezuidenhout
2.Johanna Petronella Bronkhorst
3.Elsie Susana Greyling
4.Susanna Johanna Schmulian
5.Petrus Johannes Roets
6. Petronella Studworthy
7.Stephanus Roets
8.Sophia Adriana Hurn
9.Gert Jakobus Roets
10.Hester Catharina Coetzee
11.Christina leRoux
12. Renska Redley
Signed PJRoets (seun teenwoordig by tyd van dood.)

One solution would be to find the marriage doc of Sofia Adriana Roets Hearne/ Hurn - to establish her birthdate as the same or different from this baptism doc of Cornelia's daughter: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C953-3SYF-D?i=4
Sofia Adriana Baptism 07 Oct 1883 Frankfort, Orange Free State, South Africa b 12 Aug 1883 Parents: Petrus Johannes Roets Neeltje Christina Jooste

Just a note here
RE: 1886 DN of Cornelia Christina Roets (Jooste)
The last two children mentioned by Sharon earlier,
* Christoffel Child
* Christiaan Child
looks like two chilren on the death notice but in the distribution account added to the profilesof the children it is clear that it is one person.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYXQ-F7M?cat=195564

Please make sure you correct my note on the doc too, Charmaine

Done

Thanks

Re: 1886 DN of Cornelia 'Neeltjie' Christina Roets (Jooste)
* Petrus Johannes Child
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 7894/60
PART 1
DESCRIPTION ROETS, PETRUS JOHANNES.
STARTING 19600000
ENDING 19600000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE SUSANNA CATHARINA CAROLINA ROETS (BORN BOOYENS)
PREDECEASED SPOUSE CORNELIA DOROTHEA ROETS (BORN JOHNSON).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91F-RS2Q-R?cat=11...

Re: Nov 1939 DN of Johanna Petronella Roets (Fourie) (geb Fourie),
Baptismal record or/and DN needed for
5.Petrus Johannes Roets

Sharon, I see Private User added him with the following on Wiki

Petrus Johannes Roets
Born 1900 [location unknown]
Died about 1960 [location unknown]

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Roets-259

Maybe she can profide us with a source document here.

Re: Nov 1939 DN of Johanna Petronella Roets (Fourie) (geb Fourie),
12. Renska Redley
I am not sure but this could be her...
La Rens Renske van der Westhuizen Radley
It looks like her father and sister signed as witnesses
PJ Roets
S Schmulian

Sharon Doubell and Private User please take a look at La Rens Renske van der Westhuizen Radley in particular the witnesses on marriage certificate.
Could this be 12. Renska Redley ?

see above
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BB-PQ4B-Z?cc=272...

Charmaine & Private User - yell if you need my curator tools to help you here - otherwise I'm happy that you don't need to include me as you figure this out.

Thank you Sharon, will do.

Daan Botes you also manage some of these profiles, when you have time also take a look please.

So the information you will find on family search the children haven’t been divided between the wives they all bunch together under one wife. I don’t know how to Separate them.
I did find the Son Petrus j Roets although I think he may have married twice but need someone to check. Name: Petrus Johannes Philippus Roets
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Apr 1925
Event Place (Original): Brakpan, Benoni
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Year (Estimated): 1898
Spouse's Name: Christina Magdalena Siegruhu Knoesen
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 16
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1909

Digital Folder Number: 007749319
Image Number: 02854

Citing this Record
"South Africa, Transvaal, Civil Marriages, 1870-1930," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPSD-VNYT : 27 September 2019), Petrus Johannes Philippus Roets and Christina Magdalena Siegruhu Knoesen, Brakpan, Benoni; citing Marriage, , NARS "Civil registration (marriages - coloureds), Transvaal and Swaziland, 1898-1927." The National Archives and Records Service of South Africa, Pretoria.

And here he’s married to a Smit and children are listed source documents are lacking

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GS44-NCP

All the children except for:

Petrus Johannes Roets
and
Sophia Adriana Hearne

have been placed with the correct parents and source documents are attached.

I think we will find that Sophia Adriana Hearne (Roets) is married to someone in this
see last person mentioned here.
Sophia Adriana Hearne
→
Petrus Johannes Roets (her brother)
→
Cornelia Dorothea Roets (Johnson (Bennfield))
his wife
→
Braganza Wallar Johnson (Bennfield)
her brother
→
Susanna Margaretha Johnson (Hern)
his wife
→
family: John Rodger Wotes Marthinus Hern, b4
her father

This Roets/Johnson/Hern families intermaried a few times.

Sharon Doubell can you lock the two Sophia Adriana profiles (to prevent later merges) for us please.
Both have baptismal record attached to their profiles now.

Sophia Adriana Hearne and Sophia Adriana Roets are now relationship locked. Yell if you need me to do more.