Keziah (Vann) Southern - DNA connections to Keziah Weatherford Vann Southern

Keziah Southern and Keziah Vann are two different totally unrelated women. John Vann and Agnes Wetherford were the parents of only two children together, Keziah and isaac Vann. Neither John nor Agnes had two daughters named Keziah. Keziah Vann was born in the Cherokee Nation, in what is now now northeast Tennessee. Keziah Southern was born in South Carolina. Anyone can post anything in an Ancestry tree.

@Kathryn Forbes, I believe you are wrong when you say they are totally unrelated women, they have one thing in Common for sure the Vann's. What bothers me is that you think you are the last word on the subject when many others believe as I do, first let's be clear on certain facts there are two Johns; John the Trader and John Joseph the Interpitor both of them had multiple wives both white and Indian, both of them worked with the ruling government during the same time periods, as to whether they are related still remains a question but probably is father and son, John Joseph b. 1735 the Interpitor was the Husband to at least three wives: Wah-Li (Polly) Vann; Agnes Ruth Vann and Elizabeth Vann and this does not reflect any affairs were he may have sired children with other women, nor can you say that none of these other children were named Keziah since there are three known wives, I believe that [Wah-Li (Polly) may have borne a daughter named Keziah] and [Agnes Ruth Weatherford borne a child named Keziah] making them half-sisters. Since there are no birth records for any Keziah in this time period and demographics, the confusion maybe who really is the mother who bore [Keziah Manley] and which one bore [Keziah Southern], the Manleys believe Agnes Weatherford is the mother of Keziah Manley as you do.
  NOW let's be clear I really don't care which one is the mother, but I will not be railroaded into someone else conjecture, and since there are no birth records then other sources and strategies have to be employed because the DNA has connected me to direct descendants of John Joseph b. 1735 "The Interpreter"  and his Son Joseph David Vann1763-1838 as an Uncle. 
NOTE: I am on at least (5) Heritage, FamilyTredna, Wiki, MyHeritage DNA, Geni, WorldTree, Genealogy, FamilySearch. 
So when you say they can write whatever they want on those sights is true, BUT the [DNA is not writable] Trangulated DNA Matches help to connect the dots and Identify which strands belong to the Vann and which ones belong to the Weatherford's... For me the problem I have with the present biographical information it does not match my DNA results, it connects my Keziah Southern to Agnes and John Joseph as Great-Grandparents, not just based on tree names but on the science-based on the Theory of Relativity of the connecting DNA matches and some of those matches multiply and are Triangulated with other DNA matches with the same matching DNA Segments and you end up with 71 direct DNA segment strand matches many from direct descendants.
FACT:  My Triangulated DNA matching Strands point to Vann and Weatherford on both sides of their parents and their decedents.  In closing, I remind you that "there is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation."  
What I propose is that the further DNA investigation be done and the descendants of Keziah Southern and the descendants of Keziah Hall and the descendants of Keziah Vann do a collective DNA comparison and those results are compared to descendants of  "John Joseph b. 1735 "The Interpreter"  and "Agnes Weatherford" and the descendants of "Wah-Li (Polly)" Vann and "Elizabeth" Vann and "John Trader U Wa Ni Vann" 1690-1770  "Mary "Cherokee Woman Of The Anikowi Deer Clan" King Vaughan 1691-1778" and their descendants.

Your information is totally garbled. It appears to be coming from unsupported Internet sites.

There was no “John Joseph Vann.”

The first John Vann was born in North Carolina about 1715. He became an Indian trader about 1740. He had one Cherokee family, a son named John and daughters Wahli and Betty. Their mother (name uncertain) had children by two other white traders named Hughes and Rowe.

The second John in this line had at least two or three wives. First was a white woman, Agnes Wetherford. She was the mother of Keziah Vann who married Martin Maney. Second wife is unknown, may have been African-American. Third wife was Polly Terrapin.

The third John, son of #2, is called John “Oowanah” Vann. Whether Agnes, wife #2 above or another woman was his mother is unclear.

A later white trader was named Joseph Vann. He and his brother Clement were probably nephews of the first John Vann. The were both married to Wahli, daughter of the first John, but all her children were fathered by Joseph.

A fourth white Vann, Avery, was possibly a brother of Joseph and Clement but may have been a nephew or cousin.

All of the Vanns were prolific but there is only one Keziah recorded among them in the 18th century.

You may well be related to Agnes and Keziah because Agnes had several Burleson children and lots of descendants.. Keziah Vann Maney’s life and family are well-documented due to their many attempts to claim her and her descendants as Cherokee. But Keziah Southern, whoever she was, is not part of that family.

The documents you speak of are BIA reports werein the BIA did not believe the testimony given and that there never was sufficient creditable evedence given that the Maneys were decended from the Vanns, the testimony of Agnes is when she reputedly was over a 100 years old, the Nation and the BIA did not belive them but you insist that it is creditable information when they did not.

I dont undersatnd why you are so addamant about there being no "Joseph John Vann" when there are ample sources that say other wise. I attempted to reason with you and point out that there were two men called John Vann but one of them was my Joseph John Vann, personally I think that many have got it wrong based on my research documents and DNA so far show that Agnes Weatherford married Joseph John Vann and not his dads Edward's Uncle John Cherokee Vann, so while you maintain your supposition on the non exsistance of both Joseph Johns Vann and the Marriage to Keziah Weatherford Vann there are many documented reasons why you should be more objectivly persuing the truth.

Below is my tree as I now read it.
Randy Allen Holder
your father →James/ Jimmie Allen Holder
his father → Roy Adelmon Holder
his mother→ Julia Alice O'Bannon
her father→ John Dawson O'Bannon
his mother → Martha, Patsy O'Bannon
her mother → Keziah (Vann) Southern
her father → John Joseph Vann, "The Interpreter"
his father → Lt. Edward Vann
his father → John "Trader" Vann
his brother → John "Cherokee" Vann, Translator / Interpreter
his son → Keziah Maney

SOURCE:
The North Carolina records contain a transcript of a trader's license for a "John Vann" and an invoice for a lengthy list of trade goods he purchased in 1764. [21]

Following the death of the white trader, John Watts, the Indian Agent, Alexander Cameron, in 1770 appointed Joseph John Vann (nephew of this profile) in the same capacity as interpreter.

In 1773 John Vann’s property just north of the Broad River (that he had presumably acquired early on) was described as "Vann’s old field". [22] Both John Vann, Jr. and Joseph John Vann had acquired land in the same location and still held land there, so the title "old" must have referred to John Vann, Ranger Captain and Indian trader. Joseph John Vann would sell his own land to John Giles the following year. [12] [23]

6Actully John Vann first became a " Pack Horsemen" working for James Maxwell by 1746 and was connected to Banard Hughes, Robert Gouedy, and John Downing, living near John was Edward and Joseph Vann, it is believed that Edward was Johns brother and Joseph was Edwards son, Edward is believed to have been Edward Clement Vann, in a deposition John gave his full name as John Charles, Vian, [SC Ind Docs (3)p. 442-3], it make since that it was family tradition to give a middle name that Joseph Vann was also named [John Joseph Vann], my DNA shows that Edward is the father of Joseph and the John Cherokee is his uncle,.

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I am confused by your claims. All the documents you refer to confirm that John Vann and Joseph (no middle name) Vann were both in the Cherokee Nation as traders and interpreters. Keziah Vann Maney, regardless of who her father was or wasn't, lived in the northeast corner of what is now Tennessee until she married Martin Maney and they moved over the border into North Carolina. John Vann, the Cherokee mixed-blood son of white trader John Vann and his Cherokee wife also lived in that area. HIs home was at the Long Island of the Holston, nowhere near South Carolina. Keziah Hall Southern may well have had Vann relatives since many members of this family - including Joseph Vann, nephew of John, lived in South Carolina, but there is absolutely nothing to show a connection to the Cherokee John Vann.

I have been researching this line extensively for years and here is what I learned both Keziah's are Vann decedents. The parents of both Keziah's were crossed over and mixed up because of the fact that there was a first cousin marriage of John Joseph Vann known as Joseph Vann with Mary Christina "Wah-li"  Vann, which prove out in my DNA results of descendants, in my DNA and documentation it shows Keziah [Southern] is my 4th great grandmother and in addition, the DNA descendants of John Joseph Vann show him as my 5th great grandfather connecting through Keziah Southern. Furthermore, the HALF-BLOOD relationship shows through the DNA descendants of  Keziah [Maney] and her brother as my [Half] 4th great Aunt and Uncle.
My research indicates that the two Keziah's are dually related because of the first-cousin marriage, but they do not share fathers or mothers.
The correction of the parents of Keziah [Southern] and Keziah [Maney] parents is as follows, Keziah [Maney] parents: FATHER: John Vann III, son of John Vann II Birth 1746, North Carolina, British Colonial America Death 1805, his father John Vann II Birth About 1715, in Old Cherokee Nation East, North Carolina, British Colonial America, Death  about 1770, Talikwa, Tennessee, MOTHER: Agnes Weatherford Vann. Birth 1745, Yancey, North Carolina, Death 1819Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, USA  
======================================Keziah [Southern] Vann:
FATHER:  John Joseph Vann called Josephy Vann son Lt. Edward "Ned" Vann, Birth 1735, Fishing Creek, now Gates, Was Edgefield Co split from Chowan Co, North Carolina, USA, Death 6 MAY 1815 • Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, USA, his father Lt. Edward "Ned" Vann
Sr. 1720–1770 Birth 1720 • Bertie Co. North Carolina, Death 4 APR 1770 • Hertford, Bertie County, North Carolina,   DEATH 6 MAY 1815 • Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, USA  
MOTHER: Mary Christina "Wah-li"  Vann daughter of John Vann II  Birth 1746 • Running Water, Cherokee Nation, Death ABT. 1835 • Spring Place, Murray County, Georgia