Sir Ellis Hicks - Year of Death of Sir Ellis Hicks

Frankly the notes don’t make a lot of sense.

Review John Hicks, of Tortworth

He cannot have had a father Knighted in 1356 ... looks like the tree skipped some generations.

I’ll update John to the values cited but I’m thinking we should disconnect and get better source data.

Might as well start with Wikipedia for this Hicks tree and then get real sources. This is what they have:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Hicks

Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable.

Ellis Hicks (c. 1315[1] – c. 1390) was an English knight.

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Ellis' son was John Hicks of Tortworth.[2] and his great grandson was Baptist Hicks, 1st Viscount Campden. Ellis Hicks is a direct paternal ancestor of Robert (James>Baptist>Thomas>John>Ellis) Hicks who immigrated to Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts, USA, on "The Fortune" December 9, 1621, and as such is an ancestor to many of the American Hicks.[2]

1. Hicks (1982). Sir Ellis Hicks (1315), Captain John Ward (1598), John Wright (1500), Philip le Yonge (1295), and 7,812 descendants. Wilmington Printing Co. p. 725.
2. 'Genealogical and Personal Memoroirs Relating to the Families of The State Of Massachusetts' Vol. iv 1910 https://books.google.com/books?id=FM8UAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA2685#v=onep...

Here’s the book catalog record:

https://www.worldcat.org/title/sir-ellis-hicks-1315-captain-john-wa...

Who’s your ancestor? I trace to Mary Hickes so I’ll be checking that area.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZV4ZAQAAMAAJ

This is the description:

Robert Hicks (b.ca.1580) immigrated in 1621 from England to Sudbury, Massachusetts, moving later to Scituate, Massachusetts. Descendants lived in New England, New York, Virginia, North Carolina, Mississippi, Texas and elsewhere. Includes ancestors in England to about 1315.

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Here’s Cutter’s description with the impossible early dating as in Wikipedia.

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Sir Ellis (1) Hicks, was knighted at Poitier, 1356, for bravery in capturing a set of colors from the French.

His son Thomas, of Tortworth, England, married Margaret Atvvood.

Their son Baptist (3) Hicks, of Tortworth, married Mary, daughter of James Everard, Esq.

Their son James (4) married Phoebe Hicks.

Their son Robert (5) married (first) Elizabeth Morgan, (second) Margaret.

Robert (5) Hicks, immigrant ancestor, came to Plymouth in "The Fortune," December 9, 1621. His wife Margaret, with her children, came to Plymouth in the ship "Anne," August 16. 1623. Their children Samuel (6), Ephraim, Lydia, Phoebe. Samuel (6) Hicks was deputy from Nauset (Eastham), 1647-8. He married Lydia Doane, 1645, daughter of Deacon John Doane, immigrant ancestor, Eastham; was assistant to Governor Prince, 1633, and his wife Abigail, born about 1590, died February 21,1685-6. Children: Dorcas, born February 14, 1651; Margaret, 1654: Joanne (7), married Robert (2) Young, March 22, 1693-4.

And it looks like the pedigree for the Plymouth Colony arriver was busted:

Robert Hicks, of the Plymouth Colony

Parents Unknown. Elizabeth Morgan is no longer believed to be a spouse of Robert Hicks by the NEHGS & Plimoth Plantation.

Private User Should we be maintaining what looks like a duplicate?

Robert Hicks, of the Plymouth Colony

Here are some Hicks ancestral notes from https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hicks-27

A birth record for Robert Hicks has not been found. GMB (p 928) and The American Genealogist (54:31-34) suggest London. [1] His parents have not been identified.

There is no original evidence to support his parents being James Hicks and Phebe Allyne.

Claims that he was descended of some supposed Sir Ellis Hicks, are unfounded; one researcher goes as far as to say "Ellis Hicks was evidently an imaginary character."[5] More recent research conducted by wikitree members revealed that Sir Ellis (aka Elias) Hicks was a 17th (not 14th) century knight with a very interesting history but no progeny.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hicks-732

Furthermore, claims that he was descended of one Baptist Hicks are also unfounded. Baptist Hicks died leaving only two daughters.[6]

1939: Herbert F. Seversmith, Colonial Families of Long Island, New York, and New England, 3(c1939): 368-383 ably disproves the lineage claims between Robert the immigrant and John Hickes of 1487. See pp 1356-1373; he points out that no marriage record is found for either James Hicks and Phebe [he doesn’t name “Allyn” as her maiden name] or of Baptist Hicks and Mary Everard. He criticizes claims that John Hicks of Flushing was son of Robert (no presence in wills). https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89063148571;view=1up;seq=337

Louis E. DeForest, Moore & Allied families (1938), p 295-6 footnote. Check-out-able here. This derides the earlier claims— not only to [a 14th century Sir] Ellis Hicks, but also the supposed parents of the immigrant Robert as James Hicks and Phebe Allen. Extracts from this work are included near the end of this document. https://archive.org/details/moorealliedfamil00defo

In fact it looks like the tree from Robert Hicks on down is spurious.

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hicks-443#_note-18

“The earliest known Hicks genealogy, the 1623 Visitation of Gloucester, only goes back to John Hicks, failing to mention any such descent from Sir Ellis/Elias Hicks. And this pedigree has a dotted line between Robert and his father/ancestor Thomas, suggesting either multiple generations or even questionable relatedness.”

https://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00inchit#page/80/mode/2u...

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-treasury-books/vol8/pp525-546

Who can add me to the English Hicks Descendant ps project as a Collaborator?
I also have a question regarding Hicks Y projects. I know my father’s haplogroup. I understand Y, mitochondrial and autosomal. I know there are more than one line of Hicks but I really really wonder if there are this many in the New World...these lines that are being differentiated seem to be because of a lack of records as proof or incorrect trees in the past.
I am a proud Hicks. I would love to assist.

On every Geni project you can request to collaborate.

Anne Brannen Can you double check me that the Medieval English Hicks tree looks Fabricated? From Robert Hicks to the beginning of Visitations.