Catharina van Bronckhorst - Match with Heritage profiles?

I think that the profiles as positioned are ok
rudolf born in 1250 can't be the father of Willem born 1336,
not even if he married Catharina at 66 years old
so he is the great-grandfather
the heritage profiles are incorrect.

koos grupstra

By Heritage do you mean MyHeritage? A lot of people copy portions of the Geni tree into their MyHeritage tree but reversing the process seldom has any value unless the MyHeritage tree is of a particularly high standard. Using MyHeritage or Wikitree or FamilySearch or Ancestry as maps to history is a great idea but don't mistake them for sources in their own right.

I asked only that someone take a look. Again, I do not use My Heritage, though I am aware of a feature that "confirms matches." Again, I asked only that you take a look...

According to Geni.com

* Father Rudolf van Sinderen, V born in 1295. Would be plausible and he would be 41. And wife Catharina van Bronckhorst born 1306 would be 30 at his birth. Late bloomers for the day but entirely plausible.

* Grandfather Ridder Willem Van Bronckhorst was born in 1280 (His father was not Willem?) Where are the Willem Van Bronckhorst II, and I? This does not seem right in context; though it's plausible.

According to My Heritage:
* Dates align: Willem van Sinderen, 1336 - 1386
* But father is Rudolf IV van Sinderen born in 1250 before Geni's father
* Catherina was born in 1316
* Wilhem had a sister Lutgard which aligns
* Willem married Hadewich Van Sinderen
* They had two children Derk and (one other child, not specified).

It's worth a look!

The reason why I find MY HERITAGE interesting (though it's not an established fact) is that it seems more plausible than Geni.com.

FOR EXAMPLE:
If Mother Catherina was born in 1306
* If born in 1306 she would be 11 years younger than her husband, but she'd be a late bloomer of a mom at 30.
If born in 1306, she would be 30 when Willhem was born in 1336 (late bloomer)
If born in 1306, she would be 13 when Lutgard was born in 1329 (plausible)

If Mother Catherina was born in 1316
* If born in 1316, she would be 21 years younger than her husband, but she would be a more likely wife of Rudolf at 20 (and not a late bloomer mom).
If born in 1316, she would be 20 when Willem was born in 1336 (more likely).
If born in 1316, she would be 23 when Lutgard was born in 1329 (more likely)

How come Rudolf van Sinderen, IV 1260-1290 is NOT connected as the father of Rudolf van Sinderen, V? I think he should be, though I can't make the presumption I can provide the two profiles and there appears to be a match:

#1: Rudolf van Sinderen, IV 1260-1290
Rudolf van Sinderen, IV
Rudolf van Sinderen, IV
Gender:Male
Birth:1260
Death:1290 (30)
Immediate Family:
Husband of - van Nijenbeek
Father of Dirk van Sinderen: (1280- circa 1338)
Dirk van Sinderen
Added by:
-geni-NL-gids- Jeannette. on May 24, 2012
Managed by:
-geni-NL-gids- Jeannette.

>>SUGGESTION: Make his son Rudolf van Sinderen, V 1295-1396?.

#2: Rudolf van Sinderen, V 1295-1396
Rudolf van Sinderen, V
Rudolf van Sinderen, V
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 1295
Death: circa 1395 (92-108)
Immediate Family:
Son of Dirk van Sinderen 1280- circa 1338
Dirk van Sinderen
and NN. NN.
Husband of Catharina van Bronckhorst
Father of Willem Sinderen and Lutgard van Sinderen
Added by:
Ronald Strauss on February 9, 2011
Managed by:
Ronald Blaine Strauss, Jacobus Grupstra, -geni-NL-gids- Jeannette. and Jurgen Torgensen
>>SUGGESTION: Make his fatehr Rudolf van Sinderen, IV 1260-1290.

he died 1290
so he cannot have a son born 1295
it is a grandson

my heritage is wrong

Agree that My Heritage is not a good source; however, some curators (e.g. Private User) tell me "MyHeritage can absolutely be a source, especially the record collections there. That's why we need to track down the specific source. I'll look again to see if I can find where it came from -- though certainly anyone else can help."

private, MyHeritage's record collection is not a source, the records in the collection are the source the collection itself is just an online version of a library building.
When you make statements like "According to MH ..." people assume you are referencing a MH user tree. Instead you could say "According to Willem's will, which can be viewed in the MH records collection using this link ..."

But you also need to be aware that not everyone can access the MH record collection

Regarding Rudolf van Sinderen, IV and Rudolf van Sinderen, V there is no reason to assume from their cardinal numbers that they are father and son.
There maybe generations in between or an uncle/nephew relationship. Cardinal numbers (aside from monarchs and moderns) are almost always assigned by genealogists rather than being used by these people during their own lifetimes.

Alex,

#1: I agree with you that My Heritage is not a source; however, I noticed the selective reasoning here on Geni.com. Some curators say it's a valid source while others do not. I quoted one curator (Private User ) who said ""MyHeritage can absolutely be a source, especially the record collections there." I feel she has a point! As well, the MyHeritiage.com and Geni.com are sister companies and the tools overlap in some areas as with "matching." I guess what I'm saying is that the consensus is not consistent. Don't shoot the messenger.

#2: Thank you for your professional opinion that the two named "Rudolf van Sinderen" might not be father and son. I understand. Also, I hope you understand that they MIGHT BE father and son. As well, there's a probability that there is a mistake and there is no "Rudolf Van Sinderen V." There does not appear to be any documentation.

I suppose holding a science degree and being employed as an engineer does make me a professional it doesn't qualify me to have a professional opinion in regards to genealogy. If you are going to play semantic games you are going to get judged in the same way.

Rudolf V _may_ never have existed, but i don't think that's a strong enough argument to get rid of the profile or even disconnect him.

MH and Geni are two companies. Yes. There are matching tools between them. Yes. This has no bearing on whether there is consensus between curators as to whether MH is a source, I can assure you that I know Ashley far better than you do and that our opinions in this regard are aligned even if you are choosing to interpret our statements as opposed.

Have you tried the Research this Person button on each Geni profile page below the blue/ brown/ green match buttons? It is a MH tool that is far more powerful than the match system and it searches many more databases than just MH

Alex, help me understand exactly where I have led you astray!?! =)

#1: I don't believe I ever said to disconnect, and I'm not playing a game of semantics.
#2: I said we should look at MyHeritage.com, which is a layer of data, including more realistic dates of birth.
#3: My goal has always been to analyze the two profiles and potentially merge data as there appears to be some overlap. That's it.

P.S. I have a few degrees and one if them is a science degree. This is irrelevant.

P.P.S. Additionally, curators have more tools than basic members.

Please present some primary or reputable secondary sources for these profiles if you wish to discuss making changes. Talking about MyHeritage trees and playing silly word games is a pointless waste of everyone's time.