Donald Cameron - Donald Cameron 1710

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Private User
7/3/2019 at 10:17 AM

I'm starting this discussion in regards to Donald Cameron's family.

One of the managers, Virg Cameron has done extensive in-person research on the Cameron family. His records indicate the following:

Donald's parents are unknown.

Donald's wife is unknown.

Donald is not the father of John Canaday Cameron.

Please read his "about me", as well as the following:

Donald b.1710

• Donald listed himself as 65 when he came to Philadelphia in 1775 aboard the Clementina.
• He listed his occupation as Farmer and former residence as “Builie” (Beauly) Scotland
• No mention is made of his wife being with him and the ship’s manifest shows no women of correct age range or name from “Builie” (Beauly) Scotland.
• Many “Family Trees” list his wife as ANN McLAURIN but this may be in error.
• Records in Scotland show the birth of a Donald in 1710 and a Marriage between a Donald Cameron and Ann McLaurin. While records in Scotland show the birth of a son “John” in 1741 to Donald Cameron and Ann McLaurin, there is no proof that this is the John who came on the Clementina. The records also show the birth of a daughter named Ann in 1751 to “the deceased Donald Cameron and Ann McLaurin”There are records in the same area for the death of a Donald Cameron 3 months before Ann’s birth.
• Perhaps the “Donald” that came to Philadelphia was NOT the one married to Ann McLaurin
• Donald WAS NOT the son of the Rev. Richard Cameron who died in 1680, 30 yrs before Donald’s birth!

John Cameron
• There is much written about “John Canaday Cameron” who supposedly came to America with his father Donald aboard the Clementina in 1775.
• I have uncovered some discrepancies but to date have no solutions.
• “John Canaday Cameron” was wounded at Brandywine and given land in Virginia. He married Margaret Jones in Virginia in 1784.
• John C. Cameron served as a private in Captain Andrew Waggoner's Company of 12th (or 8th) Virginia Regiment commanded by Colonel James Wood. March 1778 The name John C. Cameron never appears in the Compiled Service Records of this unit with the middle initial "C.". His first name is sometimes given as John and sometimes abbreviated as Jno. No middle name nor middle initial is ever given. His last name is spelled Camron, Cameron, and Cammeron. This appears to be the same man and he appears in every monthly Company Muster Roll and Company Pay Roll by one of the name spellings above from March 1777 until at least May 1779. I have only seen the images on Fold3 which appear to me to be incomplete. Hopefully I will be able to check the original microfilm and/or paper records to investigate this.
Also, the Compiled Service Record Cards for the Company Muster Rolls and Company Pay Rolls for Captain Andrew Waggener's Company show a variety of names for this Regiment. Some of these variations are explained by Records & Pension Office, General Correspondence 410,200, which states that about May, 1778, the 4th, 8th and 12th Virginia Regiments (1776-1778) were incorporated and designated the 4th, 8th and 12th Virginia Regiment until about September, 1778. That is, they were combined into a single regiment. The Regiment is variously referred to as the 12th Regiment, the 8th Regiment, the 4th, 8th, and 12 Regiment, sometimes "Regiment of Virginia", sometimes "Virginia Regiment", sometimes neither, and is usually, but not always listed as commanded by Col. James Wood or Col. Wood. It is also sometimes referred to only as Col. James Wood's or Col. Wood's Virginia Regiment or Regiment from Virginia without any numerical designations. It is also sometimes called "Regiment of Foot."

• In December of 1778, a John Cameron was on the Appeals Docket in LANCASTER CO. PA. for “Failure to March” and cited being “very poor” as his reason. (His brother Simon also!)
A Muster Card for a John Cameron show him under Capt. Work (and lists him as poor) in LANCASTER CO. PA
• I feel there are 2 John Camerons, John Cameron who came to Philadelphia with his brother Simon and his father Donald AND John Canaday Cameron of Virginia who fought at Brandywine. Why else would a man in a Virginia unit be taken to court in Lancaster Co. PA.
• There was a John Cameron born in Virginia in 1740

Simon Cameron
• Simon came to America with his father Donald and brother John in 1775
• The family farmed the church grounds around the Donegal Presbyterian Church.
• Simon was taken to Appeals Court, twice in 1778 for failure to march. His first
reason was his wife’s “languishing condition” and the 2nd time it was because
his wife “died leaving him 4 small Children”. This was his 2nd wife and Mordecai's mother.
• When Simon came to America he brought his 5 yr old son Charles, his 3 yr old
daughter Mary and a 6 month old daughter Catherine. The 4th “small child”
would be Mordecai who was born shortly after they arrived. (my 3 Great Grandfather)
• Simon’s grandson (Charles’ son) who was also named Simon, was Secretary of
War for Lincoln and his obituary mentions the elder Simon being an
“Agriculturist” and that he died at harvest time in 1789 from “exposure and
exertion”.
• Simon married a third time to a “Widow McCoy” who already had a son
named John McCoy.
• Simon and his wife Catherine McCoy Cameron would have 3 more children;
Daniel, Colin, and Rachael.
• Daniel, Colin and Stepbrother John McCoy would be part of the “Danville
Blues” militia
• Catherine lived until 1849
• Daniel was a carpenter
• Colin would have descendants who would be cattle barons
• Rachael would marry a William Carter and move to California

My GG Grandfather traveled Pennsylvania in the mid 1800's looking for relatives and was told that Simon "was married 3 times, the first and last wives' names were Katie and his 2nd wife was a McKenzie". I think his first 2 wives were McKenzie sisters. Katherine and Ann.

Does anyone have any documentation of the current Geni parents of Donald and Grace, wife Ann McLaurin, or of son John Canaday, or any information that contradicts the above?

Private User
7/3/2019 at 11:37 AM

Thank you and I hope more research gets mentioned.
According to my contact in Stornaway:
"Donald occupied the farm of Teanroit, in 1767, together with the neighbouring lands of Ruilick [Relick] where my own ancestor Donald McDonald and his wife Catherine Cameron, resided in the 1780s."
The vessel Clementina was hired by Aberdeen merchants and if Aberdeen was its port of registration then what likely happened was that the vessel sailed up the east coast of Scotland picking up passengers at pre-arranged ports of call, such as Inverness or Cromarty, and sailed on through the Pentland Firth, calling perhaps somewhere on the west coast before sailing on to the Island of Lewis. Because Stornoway was its last port of call before heading for America the vessel has always been described as departing from Stornoway in later references.
Donald Whyte's book refers to Simon Cameron as a farmer. This would suggest to me that he held a tenancy somewhere otherwise it is likely that he would have been described as a 'servant' or 'labourer' or some other description.

Private User
7/3/2019 at 11:42 AM

In reading the obituary of Sec. of War Simon Cameron, ,mention is made of Simon Cameron (Donald's son) and Grandfather to the Sec. of War; "died in 1789 during harvest"

No mention is made of when Donald died.

7/3/2019 at 1:22 PM

I see two Donald Cameron’s on the Clementina, Stornoway > Philadelphia, 7/1775:

http://www.clan-cameron.org/roots/cam-imig.txt

DONALD
07/??/1775...AGE 24...PHILADELPHIA, PA.........#0119-PG. 027
SHIP: CLEMENTINA...DEPARTED FROM: STORNAWAY...ORIGINAL
RESIDENCE: FORT WILLIAM

DONALD
07/??/1775...AGE 65...PHILADELPHIA, PA.........#0119-PG.027
SHIP: CLEMENTINA...DEPARTED FROM:STORNAWAY...ORIGINAL RESIDENCE: BEAULY

7/3/2019 at 1:41 PM

This site shows Donald Cameron, son of Donald Cameron of Clunes & his wife Grace Menzies, as killed at the Battle of Culloden in 1746.

http://www.ramagefamilyhistory.com/getperson.php?personID=I1029&amp...

===Sources
*[S17] Duncan Hartley of www.cameron-site.com.
*[S18] Camerons of Cornwall Township, by Duncan MacDonald.

Private User
7/4/2019 at 7:38 PM

Erica Howton if he died in the Battle of Culloden in 1746, it can't be the same Donald b.1710, who arrived here in 1775. Therefore, Donald b. 1710 is not the son of Donald of Clunes. Do you agree?

If so, we just have to tackle Donald's son, John Canaday Cameron.

7/4/2019 at 8:11 PM

Agreed. Made a profile for Donald Cameron and disconnected the other Donald from parents.

Private User
7/5/2019 at 8:12 AM

I fully agree. Now on to John CANADAY Cameron. To my mind, there are 2 John Camerons, one from VA and one from PA. The Virginian was probably John Canaday Cameron, wounded at Brandywine and given land in Virginia. I have not dismissed him but rather concentrated on finding information on the John Cameron in PA. The John Cameron in PA (the one who came on the Clementina with Donald and Simon) was in a PA militia, was poor, had a small family, and was taken to a Lancaster Co. Court for failure to march. This is as far as I can find any written proof, i.e muster cards and records, court documents, etc.
I am not arguing the fact that a "John Cameron" married a Margaret Jones but I think that man was a Virginian born man.

Private User
7/5/2019 at 7:20 PM

Erica Howton, thank you for making a profile for Donald Cameron and making the disconnect. The wife, Ann McLaurin, belongs with him, not Donald 1710.

Regarding John Canaday Cameron, I agree with Virg. I think there are two Johns, one that lived in PA and one that lived in VA.

Also, would you please make Donald b.1710 a MP and perhaps lock the relationship paths?

Private User
7/6/2019 at 9:13 AM

Ann McLaurin is another story! Records from "Scotlands People" show an Ann McLaurin was married to a Donald Cameron. In 1751 she gave birth to a daughter. The birth record shows "a daughter born to Ann McLaurin and the DECEASED Donald Cameron." Further research shows the death of a Donald Cameron about 3 months before the birth. Ann never came to America, as far as I can find, and is not related to the line of Donald->John and Simon -> Simon's sons Charles (father of the Sec. of War) and Mordecai (my 3 G Grandfather)

Private User
7/6/2019 at 10:32 AM

My mistake - thanks for clarifying.

Private User
7/7/2019 at 2:14 PM

Erica Howton, would you please make this a MP and if you agree, remove his son John Canaday.

Donald Cameron

7/7/2019 at 5:37 PM
Private User
7/10/2019 at 8:35 PM

Erica Howton, thank you for all of your help!

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