A puzzle on the two Georges

We'd always assumed that George 11 had died before 1853 because of George 12s name, and because only oneGeorge appears on the Parent DN.

But, an 1879 Newcastle marriage certificate for a George Doubell born in 1851 marrying a Hester Helena Louisa Doubell suggests differently.

cf on his profile:https://media.geni.com/p13/fc/5a/1b/8f/5344484ca3a65d7d/record-imag...

This is a difficulty I need help thinking through.
Could this be a generation c 1851 George Doubell?
...I can't find one on the Doubell register - and I'm almost at the end of it.

Thoughts? Anybody?

On Geni, George Doubell, b12 has a daughter, Alice Maria Doubell but I can't find Sources for her. Private User do you ave any?

Alice Maria Doubell, , born 27 Dec. 1876, bapt. 6 May 1877, Uitenhage NGK, daughter of George DOUBELL and Elizabeth Magdalena Petronella PITOUT, "klein Winterhoek" - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK6-T9KM-P - Source: FamilySearch.org; Film No.: 008149427; Page No.: 235; Image No.: 143

I haven't come across a marriage record yet for George and Elizabeth.

Both George's do have baptism records:

b11 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKX-9S7M-R

b12 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKX-9S4Z-7

So, either b12 re-married and the age on the 1879 Newcastle marriage is incorrect, or the two George's were known by nicknames, perhaps?

The mind boggles. Did they forget they'd already named the two year old George?? :-)

Thanks for finding those records. I knew I could rely on you to find what I couldn't :-)

cf Elizabeth Magdalena Petronella Doubell

The problem of two boys both named George is that by the time of their father (Michael George's) death in 1871 only one remains. (And there's still only one on the DN of their mother (Aletta de Lange's) 14 July 1879 death in Uitenhage)

But a George Doubell & an Elizabeth Magdalena Petronella Pitout have an Alice Maria Doubell on 27 December 1876 in Uitenhage

And a 28 yr old Bachelor (so b 1851) George Doubell marries 22 yr old Hester Helena Louisa v Niekerk on 21 July 1879 (only 7 days after Aletta de Lange's death) in Newcastle

They (George and Hester) have a Maria Susan Magdalena Doubell in Bethlehem, Free State on 20 Aug 1880 and also c 1880 (estimated on her marriage certificate, where she is supposedly 17 in Newcastle in 1897) an Aletta Maria Doubell

1851 George 11

1853 George 12

1871 Michael George dies & there is only ONE George left

1876 27 Dec, George 12? & Elizabeth Pitout have Alice Maria

1879 14 July, Aletta Maria dies & only ONE George

1879 21 July, George 11? a 28yr old bachelor marries Hester v Niekerk in Newcastle

1880 20 Aug, George 11? & Hester have Maria Susan Magdelena in Bethlehem

1881? George 11? & Hester have Aletta Maria

Is there only 1 George by 1871? - the bachelor George who marries Hester V Niekerk and says that he's the age his dead older brother would have been, who was not actually married to Alice's mother, Elizabeth Pitout?

Or are there two Georges all along, and the second one is baptised by his grandparents in place of an unmarried (or dead) daughter? So, not recorded on their DNs as their child?

Unfortunately I'm not able to find any Uitenhage NGK burials for this time period, to try and determine if one of them died young.

No idea how helpful this would be, but there is an 1895 divorce record for George DOUBELL and Hester Helena Louise VAN NIEKERK, in the Pietermaritzburg Archives - Depot: NAB; Source: RSC; Type: LEER; Vol. No.: 1/5/146; Ref. No.: 44/1894

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.za/node/10996326

Private User says she knows that George 11? (b 1951?) 's marriage to Hester VNK ended in divorce in 1895. I'm still waiting to hear back from her how she has ascertained this.

Cross-posted. Rwading my mind :-)

The baptism record for George 11 is a bit peculiar:

George [Doubell] Geb 28 Feb 1851; Ged 30 Mar 1851
Ouders: Michael George Doubell; Aletta Maria de Lange
Getuigen: Michael George Doubell; Maria Aletta Doubell
Winterhoek

1.There is no other Michael George Doubell who could have been a witness, except the PROG - who is also puportedly the father.
2. There is no Maria Aletta Doubell until years and years later.

Suggests that the clerk was muddled altogether and got it wrong?