Ka-Okee, of the Powhatan - Passing on request to edit from Bill Deyo.

It would be easier to clarify her name than move parents.

Should she be NN?

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From profile notes - quoting Bill Deyo:

Wahanganoche's father was the petty-chief, Japasaw, or more correctly, I-oppasus, who had become the King of Patawomeck by the 1620s.

I do not know the wife of Wahanganoche, but I-oppasus had two wives.

One whose name I do not know but who was a daughter of Powhatan and I-oppasus' own niece or half-niece.

It is possible that she was the daughter of Powhatan called Cahoke or Kaokee, traditionally the ancestor of the Peyton and Roberson families of Patawomeck blood, who was said to have been a daughter of Powhatan.

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In other words, this is a daughter of Powhatan - not a proposed child of Pocohantas.

Unless I misunderstand?

This is a copy of an email I received from Bill Deyo myself in 2016

Deyo, Bill L CTR NSWCDD, E03A
Aug 8, 2016

Hi Linda,

You are not bugging me. I am glad to help.

Powhatan (Wahunsenaca) and Opechancanough, as well as Keckatough and Opitchipam, were all full brothers of the Pamunkey Tribe. "Powhatan" was actually the name of the Federation of many tribes that Wahunsenaca was the head of. They simply called him "Powhatan" because of that.

The book on Pocahontas by Linwood Custalow and Angela Daniel spoke of "Little Kocoum" in the story presented about Pocahontas and her husband Kocoum.

The fact is, however, that the Mattaponi did not pass down the name or gender of the child that Pocahontas had by Kocoum. If you look in the back of the book, at the timeline, it explains that. The one child known by the Patawomeck that Pocahontas had was Ka-Okee.

That is not to say that she did not have other children. I actually think that she did have at least one more between her marriage in 1610 and her abduction in 1613. I do not believe that the child was named Little Kocoum, however.

The Descendants of Pocahontas

Oral histories of both the Mattaponi and Patawomeck and historical references say she mothered two children, Thomas Rolfe, who was left in England after the death of his mother, and `little Kocoum.´

According to Deyo, Little Kocoum was the name that Dr. Linwood Custalow used for the purpose of his book to reference a small child whose name was not yet known.

In the sacred oral history of the Mattaponi, the child was raised by the Patawomeck Tribe. The name of that child was passed down in the Patawomeck oral history was discovered to be Ka-Okee, a daughter.

This lineage to Ka-Okee includes the world famous entertainer Wayne Newton, a member of the Virginia state-recognized Powhatan Patawomeck tribe.

Thomas Rolfe stayed in England and was educated there. He later returned to the Powhatan as an adult. He was married and had many descendants.

A special thank you to the following sources:

Mattaponi Tribal Historian, Dr. Linwood `Little Bear´ Custalow, and Angela L. Daniel ``Silver Star´ for the book The True Story of Pocahontas, The Other Side of History

Pamunkey Chief Robert Gray

Patawomeck Chief John Lightner

Powhatan Patawomeck Tribal Historian Bill Deyo

Countless council members and tribal members of the 11 Tribes in Virginia, who have been gracious in sharing their stories

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/genealogy/true-story-...

KOCOUM was the younger brother of the Patawomeck Chief JAPASAW and in 1610 he married MATOAKA POCAHONTAS POWHATAN, daughter of WAHUNSONACOCK [WAHUNSUNECA]known as CHIEF POWHATAN at the Werowocomoco Village on the Powhatan Tribal Lands on the Pamunkey River in Virginia.

Following their marriage, KOCOUM and POCAHONTAS settled in the Patawomeck Village and had a daughter KA OKEE in 1612. When POCAHONTAS was lured aboard an English ship in 1613 in Jamestown harbor by the ship captain Captain ARGALL and kidnapped by him, Captain ARGALL had KOCOUM killed.

KA OKEE, the daughter of KOCOUM and POCAHONTAS, was in the Patawomeck Village when her mother was kidnapped and her father was killed. She remained and was raised there and her identity was kept secret to protect her from being harmed by the English. She took the name "JANE" and had a child CHRISTIAN PETTUS by a man whose last name was PETTUS in 1636.

According to WILLIAM "Night Owl" DEYO, present day Patawomeck Tribal Historian: "KA OKEE's husband was thought to be Col. THOMAS PETTUS or possibly THEODORE PETTUS, brother of Col. THOMAS PETTUS, or possibly a son of WILLIAM PETTUS [uncle of Col. THOMAS PETTUS] and ELIZABETH ROLFE who married in 1594." He also mentions that there were close connections between the ROLFE and PETTUS families in England." JOHN ROLFE, who married POCAHONTAS in 1614, "took her to his family estate in England when they visited there in 1616. She no doubt met the PETTUS family and may have asked that if any of them went to Virginia to please check on her daughter KA OKEE. One evidently did check on her and married her..."
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=131558962

1610-1611 Pocahontas was married to the Patawomeck warrior, Kocoum.
http://patawomeckindiantribeofvirginia.org/ct-menu-item-3

What I’m trying to say is that the notes in this profile from Bill Deyo identify the wife of Lesser Chief Japasaw "Iopassus" Patawomeck, of Passapatanzy

As -

“One whose name I do not know but who was a daughter of Powhatan and I-oppasus' own niece or half-niece. It is possible that she was the daughter of Powhatan called Cahoke or Kaokee.”

So as I read it, this is a *different* person from the proposed daughter of Kacoum.

If this daughter of Powhatan should be renamed, please advise, and add profile notes as to what her name should be.

I believe Bill was talking about one of Wahanganoche's wives possibly being a daughter of KaOkee when he said " is possible that she was the daughter of Powhatan called Cahoke or Kaokee, traditionally the ancestor of the Peyton and Roberson families of Patawomeck blood, who was said to have been a daughter of Powhatan."

He has stated to me many times that KaOkee was the child of Kocoum & Pocahontas.

Accidentally double posted that last one. Deleted the duplicate.

Then what should the name of *this* profile be? This is the daughter of Powhatan profile.

Info from Bill Deyo Patawomeck Tribal Historian 6-5-2019

The name of Ka-Okee’s daughter who married Wahanganoche is totally unknown. It may have been Rebecca, as it would seem logical that Ka-Okee would have had a daughter named after her mother, but we just do not know.

She was the mother of Wahanganoche’s daughter, baptismal name believed to have been “Mary”, based on some supporting evidence involving her husband, Henry Meese, but we have no knowledge of “Mary’s” original Indian name. It was not Ontonah, as that was the name of an orphan Patawomeck girl who married into the Curtis family.

So basically ONE of Wahanganoche's wives should be listed as NN daughter of KaOkee/Thomas Pettus.

That NN daughter is the mother of Mary Wahanganoche that married Henry Meese.

THIS profile should be named NN daughter of Wahunseneca aka Powhatan or Sister of Pocahontas

Info from Bill Deyo - Patawomeck Tribal Historian 6-5-2019

Pocahontas and Cleopatra were daughters of Powhatan’s favorite wife, Winganuske (sister of the Patawomeck Indian, Machumps). Winganuske was the daughter of the Great King of Patawomeck by Powhatan’s eldest sister. That is why Pocahontas and Cleopatra and their mother were sought after for wives, as they were of the royal blood of the matrilineal succession that ran through Powhatan’s mother.

Powhatan married his niece, Winganuske, and Opechancanough married his niece, Cleopatra.

Also, the only reason that Wahanganoche was able to become the Great King of Patawomeck was because his mother, one of the two wives of Japasaw, was the full sister of Pocahontas.

Suggestion for names on "THIS" profile

NN Daugher of Wahunseneca

or

NN Sister of Pocahontas

Add to profile notes with a source attribution, also add alternative names in AKA field. The quote from Bill Deyo has her named as per those notes and was locked in based on those notes.

I have sent Bill a message asking him for further clarification. It'll be a few days before he can respond.

I will put notes on overview for now.

Thank you, I think that’s the best solution. I was under the assumption that more than one person could have the same name, so never really questioned the original note.

Done.

Erica Howton

The earlier reference from Bill Deyo needs to be removed. Just received email from him -- that information is incorrect. There is only ONE KaOkee & she is the daughter of Pocahontas & Kocoum. THIS profile should be

NN Daugher of Wahunseneca

or

NN Sister of Pocahontas

Here's email I received from Bill

Deyo, William L
Jun 24, 2019,
to me

Linda,

No, there are not two Ka-Okees. That was some of my early writings before we obtained a lot more information from the elders and from the Mattaponi Tribe’s sacred oral history. The only early Ka-Okee was the one who was the daughter of Pocahontas and Kocoum.

Bill

I have to leave it as a reference. If someone goes looking for this profile and has the old possible name, and we “don’t” have the reference —- smerged tree. I’m not risking it.

All the information is fine, just had to repost (right above your reply just now) I just took out his email address & title. I wish these post had an option to edit instead of delete.

Would be nice ! The day will come.