Sarah Charlton Richardson, SM/PROG - Merge these two?

Started by Sharon Doubell on Thursday, June 20, 2019
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6/20/2019 at 9:56 AM

Did Sarah mary twice or are James Richardson. Snr, SV/PROG and John Saynor supposed to be the same man?

6/20/2019 at 9:57 AM

*marry :-/

6/20/2019 at 10:02 AM

If there's a step parent involved, surely Elizabeth Estment, Saynor is the biological child of James/Joseph Senior? (Contrary to Curator Note from John Sparkman (10/10/2014) that says she's the 12 year old step-child of James/Joseph Senior.?

6/21/2019 at 12:52 AM

What sources show the father's name as James/Joseph? Should he not be 'Unknown'?
Also, Elizabeth's surname given as Saynor in the marriage register:

Elizabeth SAYNOR

Marriage:-

28 December 1824

1824, this 28th day of December 1824

Thomas Brooks

marital status: Bachelor

residence: of the District of Albany

and

Elizabeth Saynor

marital status: Spinster

residence: of the same District

were married here by Banns

this 28th day of December 1824 by me Thomas Ireland, Chaplain

This marriage was solemnized between us

groom signature: Thos. Brookes

bride signature: Elisabeth Saynor

witnessed by: Geo. Gatehouse, Maria Sands, J M Cromhout

Source: Grahamstown - St George (Anglican), Grahamstown, Eastern Cape. marriage register, 1823-1826, page 21, entry no 77. Repository: Cory Library, MS 14 877-1. Transcribed by Lynn MacLeod as part of the eGGSA Project, from photographs by William Jervois

6/21/2019 at 1:52 AM

The annotation about Step Child was added by Sally McConnell as per below.


Elizabeth Brookes (Senior)'s profile was updated by Sally Ann McConnell (Orpen). about me
Jul 7, 2014 at 5:47 PM · view

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6/21/2019 at 2:10 AM

I am a real amateur at this so take these comments from whence they come!
In the Richardson party of the 1820 Settlers you will see that James Richardson and Sarah were accompanied by their children John and Emma and 3 children from Sarah's prior marriage - Elizabeth, Martha and James Senior.
It seems that Sarah's son James may have been referred to with the surname Richardson at some stage.

6/21/2019 at 2:32 AM

I'm new to this profile too, and my initial assumption that James Richardson may be James/Joseph Senior was obviously wrong :-)

6/24/2019 at 1:42 PM

FOUND THIS - HOPE IT'S HELPFUL!

RICHARDSON, James - Extra Data
http://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-information...
Written by Sue Mackay.
Leader of RICHARDSON's Party
Sheffield Archive and Local Studies
James son of James RICHARDSON, Holehouse, baptised 14 June 1795 in St.Mary, Ecclesfield, Sheffield
James RICHARDSON married Sarah SAYNOR, widow, by banns on 15 May 1814 in Sheffield Cathedral
Both signed
Witnesses: John CHARLTON, [Entmony SORBY]
Emma daughter of James & Sarah RICHARDSON, Sheffield, Corn Dealer, baptised 2 June 1816 in Sheffield Cathedral (born May 19th 1816)
Borthwick Institute of Archives, University of York (Yorkshire Bishop's Transcripts)
John, son of James and Sarah RICHARDSON, Sheffield, Swaler*, baptised in parish of Sheffield on 24 February 1815 (born 9th February)
[* Swaler is an old north of England term for Corn Dealer]
James' wife Sarah was the widow of John SAYNOR, razorsmith, who was buried in Sheffield Cathedral on 22 April 1812
Sheffield Archive and Local Studies
John SAYNOR and Sarah CHARLTON were married by banns on 27 July 1807 in St.Mary, Ecclesfield, Sheffield
Both signed
Witnesses: Thos. SAYNOR and Matthew STRINGER
Borthwick Institute for Archives, University of York (Yorkshire Bishop's Transcripts)
Elizabeth daughter of John & Sarah SAYNOR, cutler, baptised 23 October 1807 in parish church of Sheffield (born 11 October)
Welsh Archive Services
Martha Smith and James Smith, twin children of John and Sarah SAYNOR of Sheffield, born October 22nd 1811 and christened November 24 in Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire
Elizabeth, James and Martha appear on the Settler Returns under the name SENIOR, step children of James RICHARDSON
Sarah CHARLTON, whose second husband was James RICHARDSON, was the sister of Mary CHARLTON, wife of William Senior DENTON. John CHARLTON witnessed the marriage of Sarah and James, and the marriage of William and Mary was witnessed by John and Harriet CHARLTON (the marriage of John CHARLTON to Harriet TOMES on 11 October 1809 in Sheffield Cathedral was witnessed by Mary CHARLTON) so I think John was a brother of Sarah and Mary. The following baptisms seem plausible, even although it would make Sarah and Mary a year or two older than declared on the settler returns.
Borthwick Institute for Archives, University of York (Yorkshire Bishop's Transcripts)
John son of William & Eliz. CHARLTON, stone cutter, baptised 9 November 1875 in parish of Sheffield
Sarah dau'r of Wm & Eliz. CHARLTON, mason, baptised 28 September 1788 in parish of Sheffield
Mary dr of Wm & Eliz. CHARLTON, mason, baptised 13 November 1791 in parish of Sheffield
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6/25/2019 at 12:44 AM

Thank you :-)

6/25/2019 at 1:32 AM

So - changed John/Joseph Senior to John Saynor

Added this info to profiles for: John and his 3 kids-

*James' wife Sarah was the widow of John SAYNOR, razorsmith, who was buried in Sheffield Cathedral on 22 April 1812 [Sheffield Archive and Local Studies]

* John SAYNOR and Sarah CHARLTON were married by banns on 27 July 1807 in St.Mary, Ecclesfield, Sheffield. Both signed. Witnesses: Thos. SAYNOR and Matthew STRINGER [Borthwick Institute for Archives, University of York (Yorkshire Bishop's Transcripts)]

* Elizabeth daughter of John & Sarah SAYNOR, cutler, baptised 23 October 1807 in parish church of Sheffield (born 11 October) [Welsh Archive Services]

* Martha Smith and James Smith, twin children of John and Sarah SAYNOR of Sheffield, born October 22nd 1811 and christened November 24 in Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire

* Elizabeth, James and Martha appear on the Settler Returns under the name SENIOR, step children of James RICHARDSON's


https://www.eggsa.org/1820-settlers/index.php/additional-informatio...

and changed Elizabeth Senior Estment, SM to Saynor Elizabeth Estment, Saynor
as well as Martha Cawood and James Saynor Richardson

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6/25/2019 at 7:51 AM

Thank you Sharon

6/25/2019 at 8:20 AM

:-)

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