Susannah Proctor (Bryant) - Francis (Bryant) Brown descendant needs an unlock so can be added as sibling of Susannah Proctor.

https://www.houseofproctor.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I20... Is being confusing.

William Proctor (1665 - 1753)

Married 1) abt 1695 to Susannah Bryant (1680 - aft 1735) she m 2 abt 1701 to Richard Redman (1679 - aft 1725)

2 children:
1) Silent Proctor (1688 - aft 1740) m 1) Thomas Jeffries 2) John Simpson
2) Elizabeth Proctor (1694 - 1780) m George Carter “I don't believe that 1694 could be her birth date. If Mary Ann PROCTOR was born in 1734, and a brother was born 1742 or 1743, I believe that Elizabeth would have been born in the early 1730s.”

William Proctor m 2) abt 1701 to Ann Bryant

2 children
1) Mary Ann Proctor (1702 - aft 1718)
2) Thomas Proctor (1704 - aft 1755) (3 children)

Not quite computing - are Susannah & Anna Bryant the same ?

On the new project called RIchard Bryant - the Mariner, so far we have made it through the will of the man. Am told that there are major errors in and all around it. It is overwhelming and getting transparency is slow. The step by step looking at each one part is going to take time. That though about Susanna & Anna is a thought that does warrant looking at, for sure.

*major error (not in the will itself) but in the implied meaning from it and all around it.

I wish discussion posts were editable.

https://www.geni.com/.../Dr-Richard.../6000000004549071173
Needs birthplace changed to Virginia (Dr Richard Bryant in the Global, Find A Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current -- Name: Dr Richard Bryant Gender: Male Birth Date: 1651 Birth Place: Virginia, United States of AmericaDeath Date: 15 May 1704 Death Place: Virginia, United States of America Has Bio?: Y Children: Ann Proctor)
Needs his parents attached as
Richard Bryant (that was transported to the Stafford area & then Westmoreland abt 1644-1650 by Christopher Boore who patented land next to Capt Giles Brent per Bill Deyo's email yesterday ) & Keziah (Wahanganoche) Bryant
https://www.geni.com/.../Keziah-Bryant/6000000004549088148
Richard Bryant - Transport info above - needs fictional removed from name & notes about his transport added to profile ; attach son Dr Richard Bryant of Stafford County
https://www.geni.com/.../Richard.../6000000006844676022...
Anne Unknown
https://www.geni.com/.../Anne-Bryant/6000000006844479282...
Her name needs to be corrected to Anne Meese and her parents need to be attached as Henry Meese and Daughter of KaOkee & Thomas Pettus. NOT the same as daughter of Anne Pert - Henry Meese had 2 daughters named Anne - one by Anne Pert & one by Mary Wahanganoche per Bill Deyo
Mary (Wahanganoche) Meese
https://www.geni.com/.../Mary-Meese/6000000006844537276...
https://www.geni.com/.../Col-Henry.../6000000002665296255...
Needs the husband showing as Whipssewasin detached -- he is the same person as her father Wahanganoche
Needs ridiculos profile picture removed
Needs child attached -- Anne Meese (same as Anne Unknown - and NOT the same as daughter of Anne Pert )
According to note from Bill Deyo Henry Meese had 2 daughters named Anne - one by Mary Wahanganoche and one by Anne Pert
KaOkee
https://www.geni.com/.../Ka-Okee.../6000000027216557104
Needs to have her parents attached as Kocoum & Pocahontas
https://www.geni.com/.../Kocoum-of.../6000000013543189144...
NN of the Powhatan
https://www.geni.com/.../N-N-of-the.../6000000006191426050
Needs her parents Thomas "of James City" Pettus & KaOkee attached
https://www.geni.com/.../Colonel.../6000000027216534088...

I have to go slowly & carefully in this area, and there might be some changes requested I am not necessarily in agreement with at this time.

For example, I am not at all prepared to work on the suggested Kacoum family. People can put that in their personal databases for now.

Let me look at the little fixes first.

Back to Susannah Bryant. I see similar to House of Proctor at Shawnee Heritage IV:

https://books.google.com/books?id=WtAeCAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA199&ot...

It’s still not making sense to me.

I’m wondering if we should approach a couple of generations down and work up?

OK there’s this profile / tree :

Anne Bryant

Wife of William Redman "Potawomek Orphan" & Dr. Richard Bryant, of Stafford County

(In that order)

Mother of Ann (Bryant) Eldridge mother of Elizabeth Carter

Dates work. So the extra Elizabeth’s should be merged to there.

And here we go - two time traveling Proctors with impossible parents.

George Proctor

Charles Proctor

Will names BOTH Ann & Susannah see https://www.geni.com/projects/Dr-Bryant-the-Mariner/55626

give my daughter ANN BRYANT the mare Phillis that runs with the mare Phoenix & one cow & calf to be delivered when she shall arrive to the age of eighteen years ..

. give to my daughter SUSANNAH BRYANT the next mare cult that shall fall from any of my mares .. and one cow & calf when she shall come to the age of 16 .. & 4 yews & a ram ..

So I’m still working on the Proctor side.

WILL BOOK B-1749-1759 13 in Spotsylvania County
PROCTOR, WILLIAM, Spotsylvania Co., d.(dated) Aug. 17, 1753, p. (proved) Nov. 6, 1753. Wit. M. Battalay, Richd. Bryan. Ex. wife, Ann Proctor and son George. Leg. wife, Ann; sons, George and Charles; daughter Elizabeth Carter; daughter Mary Proctor. (Page 174)

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So - we have a widow Ann Proctor in 1753 & 4 children.

Was it that William Proctor 1st married Susannah Bryant, Redman widow, and then her sister Ann Bryant? Or did widow Ann Proctor then marry a Redman? (That makes no sense)

I’m sticking the Proctor children on the Ann profile for now.

Why is Thomas Proctor, Sr. who must have died after 1755 not named in the William Proctor 1753 will?

I made Susannah Bryant MP so she doesn’t get smerged into sister Ann.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I0487...

Has her as born abt 1690 and no family for her.

HOP has, as we saw, that William Proctor married Susannah.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I0487... Will of Richard Bryant 1704

“.. my will my son in law WILLIAM REDMOND if he will shall live upon the Plantation whereon his Mother lives seven years rent free or upon the Plantation where SAMUEL BURTON now liveth ...”

So which daughter married a Redman / Redmond?

Anne & Susannah “both” seem unmarried in 1704.

Ahh, fooled again by word “son in law.” He meant step son.

Richard Bryant’s widow Ann was formerly the widow of a Redman:
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She was the only daughter of John Grigsby.also mentions daughter, Ann, daus. Sylent and Susannah (both under 16), stepson Wm. Redman, and wife Ann. pg.87 "They all lived in that part of Stafford County lying on the Rappahannock above Muddy Creek which, on the election of King George, became a part of that county and remained so until 1777." 18 Jan. 1747 (1748), The Will of Richard Bryan, (son of Richard Bryan) presented to King George County Court and recorded by Richard Bryan his executor. Wife is "Beth" Bryan.

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In other words “neither” daughter married a Redman (that we know so far).

And the Anne Bryant looks correct.

Do we agree?

Not completely. According to Patawomeck oral history Anne Bryant is Anne Meese, daughter of Henry Meese & Mary Wahanganoche.

Henry Meese had 2 daughters named Anne -- one by Mary Wahanganoche and one by Anne Pert.

The Anne Meese by Mary Wahanganoche is the one married to Dr Richard Bryant.

This is statement from Patawomeck Historian:

Had a half sister of the same name -- Meese had children by his apparent Indian wife, one of whom was Ann, wife of Dr. Richard Bryant. It was a frequent practice in those days to have more than one child by the same name due to the desires of different wives. Ann (Pert) Meese certainly wanted to name a daughter after herself, even though Henry apparently had one by that name already. The older John (had a half brother of the same name) was apparently a child of Henry’s union with a daughter of Chief Wahanganoche, as was Ann, the wife of Dr. Richard Bryant

I’m not there yet, Linda. Patience, please - you are in controversial genealogy territory.

Let’s solve the obvious logic problems first, and we have one at hand.

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I0820...

Solves the “Ann, widow of William Proctor d 1753” issue by calling her MNU.

I am inclining to agree.

Whether a Bryant girl (which? both?) married a Proctor or not (evidence?) she cannot have been the mother of certainly Elizabeth (Proctor) Carter; we have dates for her children so cannot push her birth date forward.

My suggested solution is to disconnect the Bryant’s from the Proctors until we understand this better.

Richard Bryant #1 (born c. 1650, married Anne Unknown Redmond, a widow with a son named William. Richard and Anne were the parents of Elizabeth (married Elkins), Nathaniel, Ann, Richard #2, Silent (married Jeffries), and Susannah (who might be the wife of William Proctor, but she was not married in 1704 when her father died). Richard's will named all the above and his step-son, William Redmond. All of his children except Elizabeth were underage when he died.

Richard #2 died in 1748. He was a physician (apparently his father was too) and he married a woman named Seth Anderson. He named in his will his children Rose (married Banks), Lettice (married Stanton), Ann (married Kenny), Margaret (married Owens), Richard #3, Anderson, and Nathaniel (who was lame). Wife Seth and son Richard were executors of the will.

Agree 1650 Richard married Anne who was previously married to Redman/Redmon

Agree Richard 1650 & Anne had Elizabeth, Nathaniel, Ann, Richard , Sylent & Susannah

Agree Richard 2 married Seth Anderson - daughter of Jacob Anderson & Seth Harrison

I think the idea that a Proctor married a Bryan comes from a Richard Bryan witnessed his will:

WILL BOOK B-1749-1759 13 in Spotsylvania County
PROCTOR, WILLIAM, Spotsylvania Co., d. Aug. 17, 1753, p. Nov. 6,
1753. Wit. M. Battalay, Richd. Bryan. Ex. wife, Ann Proctor and son
George. Leg. wife, Ann; sons, George and Charles; daughter Elizabeth Carter; daughter Mary Proctor. (Page 174)

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Do we have any evidence to suggest who this William Bryan in Spotsylvania was? Could not have been Richard 2 who died in 1746 in King George. His son Richard 3 was in Culpeper and was also associated with Moseley Battaley

https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I0465...

Spotsylvania County, Virginia Will Book B: Crozier
BATTALEY, MOSELEY, Spotsylvania Co., d. Sept. 23, 1757, p. Dec. 5, 1758. Ex. Richard Tutt; Robert Jackson; John Thornton. Leg. sons, Samuel, John, Moseley; daughters, Elizabeth, and Ann; wife Margaret; daughter Frances Bryan. (Page 393)

Here's a site I found

http://kykinfolk.com/rockcastle/family/proctor/proctor01.htm

Also found this site https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/proctor/1247/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/162856336/ann-proctor

How is this possible that the George b 1742 was a son of William d 1753? It’s missing several generations. Elizabeth (Proctor) Carter’s Birth date of 1694 is reasonable. If there was an 11 year old at William’s death we’d have a guardian - & still somewhat unlikely that a Bryant sister born before 1700 was having a child in 1742.

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A genealogical chart made by Mrs. Arthur Rowbotham, Altavista, Virginia Oct. 15, 1934 and provided by Kate Holmes Lang states:

William Proctor [d. 1753, VA] and Ann Bryant had issue: George, b. 1742, Charles, Elizabeth, and Mary.

Note: These Bryants are listed in Stafford Co. which touches Spotsylvania and Caroline Counties.

The FindAGrave is meaningless. The genealogy.com is off a generation, I think. We’ve been working on the Proctor tree over a week and barely made it to gen 3. :)

This is the George who married Katherine Frank.

George Ambrose Proctor, II

I just spent several hours at the library looking at records of Stafford, King George, Essex, Spotsylvania, culpeper and Richmond Counties. I could not find any mention of a Susannah or Anne Bryant connected to either George or William Proctor in the 1700-1750 time period. The daughters of Richard and Anne Redmond Bryant were much too young to be the mother(s) of these men’s children.

Thank you, Kathryn!

I’m wondering though if we can rule one out as a 2nd wife / surviving widow? There is the Richard Bryan witnessing the Proctor will in 1753. Or if there was a later generation Ann Bryant who was the widow?

There are repeating George, Charles & William Proctors. Maddening.

The Richard who witnessed the will would have to be the third Richard, since the first one died in 1704 and his son Richard died in 1747-48. The second Richard had sisters named Ann and Susannah, but they were born about 1689-1691 since Anne was under 18 and Susannah under 16 in 1704, too young to be having children before then (and neither was married in 1704 anyway) The third Richard also had sisters named Susannah and Ann, but that Susannah was married to someone named Kenny and sister Ann was married to someone named Haynie when their father made his will in 1747, so they can't be married to Proctors in that time frame.

If William who died in 1753 was married to a woman named Ann Bryant (and I didn't find any record to suggest a maiden name for widow Ann) she was either from a different Bryant family, the widow of someone named Bryant, or Ann, the daughter or Richard #1 but was a second wife and not the mother of at least his first three children.

Proctor deeds & wills described on page 130 here:

“Virginia Council Journals, 1726-1753 (Continued).” The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, vol. 38, no. 2, 1930, pp. 128–136. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/4244320.

The d 1753 William Proctor had his son George as executor with wife Ann, so this George was of age, and not the George b 1742.

Not seeing anything Bryan / Bryant ?

Francis has a current mom who was super old. All of the current full siblings are 20 years older.