Cornelia Bichers Moldrup - Correct Bichers to "Bekkers:

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private
6/18/2019 at 2:21 PM

The correct spelling is Bekkers, please make the correction and see the lithograph and reference below.

Rothe, Cornelia Bekkers Moldrup (1702-1727)
http://www.kb.dk/images/billed/2010/okt/billeder/object396315/da/

6/18/2019 at 2:36 PM

Please see section "about me". The lithograph cannot be considered as a true source. Bichers is the most correct name because she was named after the previous owner of Vestervig Kloster Cornelia Bichers. You will never find the name Bekkers, Bichers etc. in any official document.

private
6/18/2019 at 3:00 PM

My Nemesis! How are you?

6/19/2019 at 10:43 AM

I am Ok, thank you. Not so active on Geni unless I have to defend "my profiles".

private
6/19/2019 at 10:35 PM

You know of course that you do not own any profiles. It's a world tree.
Her name is.... Cornelia Bekkers Moldrup.

Do try to enjoy your day!

6/20/2019 at 12:59 AM

You have only one lithograph to support this name, I have all the official Danish archive data to prove that you are wrong - as usual.

Private User
6/20/2019 at 4:11 AM

Looks like e need to start locking the profiles again...

private
6/20/2019 at 11:23 AM

Leave the lithograph please and your egos at the door.

private
6/20/2019 at 11:53 AM

Lithograph: Rothe, Cornelia Bekkers Moldrup
Church records say: "Kornelia Beckers Molderup"
Currently: "Cornelia Bichers Moldrup" (source data?)

Is this the official Danish archive, Jens? Apparently the church gentleman recorded her name as "Kornelia Beckers Molderup" and you should use that? I prefer the lithograph.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http:/...

6/20/2019 at 12:56 PM

1) Baptism https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127948#159442...
Den 23 November [1702] blev Cornelia, Assessor Mollerups datter på Vestervig døbt.
2) Marriage https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127948#159442...
7 May [1723] velbårne hr. regimentskvartermester Carl Adolph Rothe og jomfru Cornelia Mollerup på Vestervig copuleret
3) Your link is not an official Danish archive, Mette, but "Nygaards Sedler" is certainly a valuable tool. NB!. Nygaard puts "Kornelia Beckers/Bekkers Molderup" in a sharp parenthesis for a very good reason: in the 18th century many women were only mentioned in the churchbooks by the husband's name, here is the original link
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesidera /da/billedviser?epid=17125716#167698,28151918
May 6 [1727] Regimentkvartermester Rothes Frue begravet.
Nygaard translates "Rothes Frue" to a name so you and I can identify her almost 300 years later. However, from a formal point of view this is not a proof of the correct name, I guess that Nygaard a very skilled archivist refers to the printed literature where you may find "Cornelia Bichers/Bekkers Molderup/Mollerup" or other variants. If we stick to baptism and marriage we will only find the name "Cornelia" and that is reason for the deletion of the middle name.

6/20/2019 at 1:24 PM

The text at her funeral May 6th 1727 is only "d. 6 Regementsqvarter Mesters Frue begraven". I do not read the word Rothes anywhere.

6/20/2019 at 2:23 PM

You are right - "regimentkvartermester" is a long word. Nygaard has to identify two persons :-)

private
6/20/2019 at 4:58 PM

Ersbøll Modis operandi: provides fuzzy "official Danish archives" that only he can read so we must all believe him <LOL> then rejects records I find (church books and lithographs). But when Ersbøll presents his church books, then, and only then are they facts.

Remi,
Cornelia Bekkers Moldrup was married to regimentskvartermester, senere kancelliråd Carl Adolph Rothe (1689–1766)

6/20/2019 at 7:19 PM

private Mette Nygard, why are you argumenting against me. I'm not taking any side in any of your arguments. I'm just stating what the source say at her burial. I corrected what Jens stated the source said, and he agreed with me. Case closed.

Why are you disputing what the primary source say? Churchbooks written at the time of event are primary sources. Any sources written about the event at a later time are secondary sources and where there are primary sources for the event, the secondary sources has to bow to the primary ones. That is how genealogy research behave.

private
6/21/2019 at 8:19 PM

You are another argumentative cousin, Remi. You questioned “Rothes” so I merely pointed out the marriage line to the Rothe line. That’s it.

I forgive your English (argumenting is not a word). Go fight with Jens. I don’t care.

Geni.com is fun! Right now my daughter is in Prague at the castle of my 17th great grandfather!

6/21/2019 at 9:05 PM

Sorry, Mette, but I didn't question "Rothes". I just wrote what was written in the churchbook at her funeral, and Rothes is not written there. I don't care who Cornelia was married to, I only cared about what was written in the primary source.

private
6/22/2019 at 4:54 PM

Remi,

#1: You most certainly questioned "ROTHES"
At 6/20/2019 at 1:24 PM you wrote: "The text at her funeral May 6th 1727 is only "d. 6 Regementsqvarter Mesters Frue begraven". I do not read the word Rothes anywhere."

#2: The name is Rothe (not Rothes).
Carl Adolph Rothe (1689–1766)
Carl Adolph Rothe

Husband of Cornelia Bekkers Moldrup Rothe, my third cousin 7 times removed.
http://www.kb.dk/images/billed/2010/okt/billeder/object396315/da/

Have a nice day!

private
6/22/2019 at 4:57 PM

P.S. "regimentkvartermester" is equivalent to "regiment quartermaster" (American Civil War).

More information for you:

Carl married Cornelia Bekkers Molderup on May 3, 1723 in Vestervig monastery. (Cornelia Bekkers Molderup was born on 15 Nov. 1702 in Vestervig and died on 29 Apr. 1727.)

Carl was then married to Kirstine Margrethe Thygesen Jespersen in 1730. (Kirsten Margrethe Thygesen Jespersen was born around 1710 in Mattrup and died on May 8, 1746.)

Carl was then married to Anna Hvalsø on 28 Jun. 1748. (Anna Hvalsø was born around 1700 in Gislinge Gård and died on 15 Jan. 1756 in Slagelse.)

2/10/2020 at 8:43 PM

Cornelia is my 9x great grandmother, does anyone have any info on how she died? My guess has been complications from childbirth, I’d very much appreciate any info! Thank you in advance.

2/11/2020 at 12:31 AM

You are probably right, but we do not have firm evidence. The print http://www5.kb.dk/images/billed/2010/okt/billeder/object472433/da/ at the Royal Library in Copenhagen has the text "Moder til FIRE sønner" (bottom right) = "mother of four sons" we have data on the first 3 sons: 1) Casper Peter born May 6 1724, 2) Nikolaj Augustus born May 24,1725, 3) Jens Frederik, born April 1726, died July 1726 and 4) ? (there no births/christenings in Randers St. Mortens churchbook in period January 1727- May 1727), likewise there are no burials mentioned except for "regimentkvartermester's wife" = Cornelia Moldrup (married Rothe) May 6,1727, no trace of the fourth son. Only the two eldest sons have descendants.

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