Roger Williams II - Daughters that do not match

Started by Erica Howton on Tuesday, April 23, 2019
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4/23/2019 at 1:42 PM

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 Brought this to attention on discussion:

https://www.geni.com/discussions/192543?msg=1291919

Marsha Gail Veazey I am unfamiliar with this tree. Would it be possible for you to take a look at Susannah Phillips vs Susannah Phillips & Ruth Canterbury vs Ruth Elizabeth Thaxton

In advance, Many thanks for the help on this.

4/23/2019 at 3:45 PM

The Susannah’s are the same: she was listed in her stepfather Lloyd’s will so must have acquired that name. I merged.

However I see no evidence to support her husband William Phillips, of Richmond, VA as child of Sir Richard Philipps, 2nd Baronet of Picton Castle & Elizabeth Swift so have disconnected. If there is evidence, please present it.

4/23/2019 at 4:00 PM

This summarized will data from Joan (Frith?) Williams Lloyd

===Notes

From https://www.colonial-settlers-md-va.us/getperson.php?personID=I0283...

Richmond County, Virginia Wills {Robert K. Headley, Jr}
- Joan L[L]OYD, will; 8 Jan 1703, 2 Feb 1703/04

*dau. Susannah the wife of William PHILLIPS;
* son Shaddrack WILLIAMS;
*dau. Anne the wife of James DEBORD;
* dau. Ruth the wife of John CANTERBURY;
*grdau. Elizabeth THORNHILL;
* d-i-l. Elizabeth WILLIAMS;
*s-i-1. George THOMPSON to receive a boy named Thomas [BATTS] until the boy is [20];
* grdau. Susan PHILLIPS;
*grson. John M'DANIEL;
*s-i-1. William PHILLIPS;
*s-i-1. John CANTER-BURY;
* ex: s-i-1. George THOMPSON;
*wits: Robert THOMAS, Deborah THOMAS, William YATES

4/23/2019 at 4:17 PM

Anne Williams Married John Williams, I not Roger. Disconnected her from Roger Williams

4/23/2019 at 4:32 PM

Ruth Elizabeth Thaxton Does not belong in this family. Disconnected.

4/23/2019 at 4:35 PM

What is the evidence supporting Edward Emms as husband of Ruth Canterbury ?

I believe I’m done, and Marsha Gail Veazey should review.

4/23/2019 at 4:36 PM

Roger Williams II is my 8th great-grandfather, born December 15, 1625, St. Albans, Bedfordshire, England, died January 6, 1677 Old Rappahannock, Richmond, Wise County, Virginia, British Colonial America. He married Joane Frith or Firth (1650-1703, daughter of Nathaniel Frith (1620-1677) and Elizabeth Parsons (1625-1702). The children of Joane Firth or Frith were: 1) Roger Williams (1653-1671), 2) Elizabeth Williams (1658-1709), 3) Susannah Williams (1661-1726), 4) Anne Williams (1662-1726), 5) Betty Williams (1665-1722), 6) Ruth Williams (1667-1702), 7) Roger Williams (1670-1744), 8) Joan Williams (1671-1722), 8) Shadrack Edward Williams (1673-1710), 9) Rebecca Williams.
She also married Lewis Lloyd (1642-1687) and had children: 1) John Lloyd (-1691), 2) Rogerg Lloyd (1660-1725), 3) Susannah Lloyd (1663-1725), 4) Betty Lloyd (16650, 5) Shadrack Lloyd (1667-1722), 6) Anne Lloyd (1667-1685).
In Joane Williams Will, she lists her name as Joane Williams-Wills-Lloyd, written January 8, 1703, Deed Book 1, Page 65, Richmond County, Virginia.
She names daughters, Susannah Phillips, Shadrack Williams, Anne Debord, Ruth Canterbury, and grandchildren. There is a Rebecca Thompson and Joan Kincheloe.
Under Roger Williams name is also a marriage to Katherine Jenkins (1622-1677), naming Lewis Williams (1640-1691), John Williams (1651-1691), George Williams (1672-).

I know nothing about this marriage, I am descended from Roger Williams and his wife Joane Firth Williams and their son Shadrack Edward Williams.

I also know nothing about a marriage to Wills.

Dona Floyd Kimmons

4/23/2019 at 4:41 PM

Joane Lloyd

Joane married secondly about 1677 to Samuel WILLIS ...

11/2/1677 Deed of Gift ... "Samuel Wills of Farnham Parish, Old Rappahannock County, Virginia, in contemplation of marriage with Joan, relict of Roger Williams, gave certain property by Deed of Gift to Roger, Sydrach, Susanna and Anne, the children of the deceased Roger Williams. The children were to receive it when they attained the age of 16 years."

4/23/2019 at 4:46 PM

Yes, I disconnected Katherine Williams as wife of Roger. All I see on her is that Edward Hassell (of Lower Norfolk County) married Katherine Williams, presumably a widow Williams.

Apparently she’s been disconnected from Roger before, so there must be a tree that has it.

4/23/2019 at 4:58 PM

I would be happy to do so Erica but I'm not very familiar with this tree, either. I usually stick to profiles after 1700. I'm sorry I can't help. :(

4/23/2019 at 5:16 PM

I think the Roger tree is OK now, but the John Williams, I may not be. I followed your notes. :)

4/23/2019 at 5:51 PM

So, my multiple X grandmother is part of Roger Williams tree, Smiling cuz I don't have to detach Ruth from the parents I have on file. Especially since I might space out and not do it.

4/23/2019 at 6:02 PM

LOL. Now I’m going to have to see if that Rhode Island connection is correct or not. But your gg is supported by multiple Wills - father, mother, stepfather.

4/23/2019 at 6:11 PM

Well, it looks OK, the Birth place was wrong for Roger & he wasn’t a ll.

According to https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Sydrach_Williams_%281%29

Note: the data on Shadrack agrees with my prior findings. I do not believe that Shadrack ever came to Virginia. He, and his partner, William Clobery, did ship merchandise to Virginia in 1625 from London. I believe (without proof) that he sent his son: Roger to VA to carry on his business and that Roger was, probably, born in London.

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You’d want to nail it better with docs. A letter between him and the irascible Puritan who founded Rhode Island would be nice. Dig in!

4/23/2019 at 6:20 PM

Edward Emms Was married to Ruth’s daughter Elizabeth as 2nd husband, according to https://simpsonhistory.com/johnkincheloe

4/24/2019 at 5:48 AM

More on Roger Williams II, my 8th great-grandfather, 1625-1677.
Married Joane (Firth) Lloyd in 1669, Richmond, Virginia, Essex County.
Children: Betty
Shadrach B. 2-1-1673
Joan Kincheloe
Ruth Canterbury
Susannah Phillips
Rebecca Thompson, b. 6-20-1675
Roger Williams
Anne Williams, b. 1667.

Will of Roger Williams - June 6, 1677
Wife: Joane Williams
Sons: Roger Williams and Shadrack Williams
Daughter: Betty Williams

Widow: Joane Williams married Lewis Lloyd - no children.
When Roger Williams died she married Samuel Wills.

Will: Joane Lloyd - 1703
Daughter: Susannah Phillips
Son: Shadrack Williams
Daughter: Ann Debord
Daughter: Ruth Canterbury.

Joanne's maiden name is Firth or Frith. MORGAN/GREER/JOHNSTON AND MANY OTHERS DID DNA TESTING ON THIS FAMILY IN 1986 ON ALL DESCENDANTS OF THIS FAMILY, DOWN TO ME, CURRENT GENERATION, WHICH I HAVE IN MY POSSESSION. He says that her name is Joanne Firth.
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