John Jacob Baldy - What happened to my hair?

@Erica Howton, you had so much fun with Andreas Winter, I thought this might also appeal to you.

I'd hoped to find a baptism record of some kind for at least one of his children, hoping to repeat the steps that we did for Mr. Winter. Unfortunately, and this is likely because he was a Quaker, there don't seem to be any such records. Friends meetings this early I don't think have been faithfully transmitted to the modern era. Am I wrong about this?

You’re wrong.:). Quaker Records are excellent, published by Hinshaw and held at Swarthmore as a central repository. Identify his Monthly Meeting and work backwards. You won’t find baptisms of course.

News to me also about German origin Quakers so that’s worth a general understanding.

Huguenot.

ransactions of the Historical Society of Berks County, Volume 2
By Historical Society of Berks County


ransactions of the Historical Society of Berks County, Volume 2
By Historical Society of Berks County. Page 397

https://books.google.com/books?id=2SIUAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA401&ot...

There was a considerable community of Huguenots in what is now Alsace township, and for whom the township was named. It is said they erected a church of logs in which they worshipped in accordance with their faith. Some of these families later located in Reading, and founded the Reformed Church in that place. We give a few of these early settlers: Baldy, Boileau, Leman, Porett, Poree, du Barrie, Gerett, Le Beau, Perlett. The Baldy family is specially noted in Huguenot history. At the Revocation (1685), a noted divine, David Baldy, fled to England, and for many years had charge of the French Refugee Church at Norwich.

The Walloons and Their Church at Norwich: Their History and Registers. 1565-1832... Norwich (England). Église wallonne Huguenot Society of London, 1887 - page 239.

https://books.google.com/books?id=JcU3AQAAMAAJ&lpg=RA1-PA239&am...

Wow, I had no idea.
How come then that they naturalized the Baldys with the Quakers? Because that's exactly what the records indicate. But I believe you...

This also implies that Anna Maria was likely from the Huguenot community. But not sure that helps us much.

The records indicate that the Baldys spent some years in Philadelphia before heading out to Berks County. The log church records, if any, would be too late; the children seemed to have been born mostly in Philly, and the marriage took place there too. Where were Huguenot records logged in Philadelphia in the 1750s?

You need to go up a generation.

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Aschenbrenner-20

on 12 April 1754. John BALTE of Roxbury [Roxburro], Philadelphia Co., PA, died and left a will that was probated on 23 September 1758. In this will the following family members and abstracts were recorded:

Mary Sophia - "To wife Mary Sophia my improvement and personal estate. At her death it is to be sold and divided into 2 equival parts, one to Urban Eschennbrenner and the other to Conrad Krider. If Conrad dies before his age or has no issue, his share goes to children of Urban." Jacob (his son) Urban ESHENBRENNER - "to son-in-law Urban Eshenbrenner after my wife's decease my great Dutch Bible and one small iron pot." Abraham KRIDER (son-in-law) Conrad KRIDER (nephew) Executors: Mary Sophia BALTE, Thomas Looslee MILLER Witnesses: Daniel BERNDELLER, Benjamin LEVERING, John BOWMAN

Wait a minute -- are you suggesting that the Baldys came from England? I think it's unlikely because Papa Baldy was definitely named "Johannes" -- not a common English name, even for a Baldy.

Tagging Jim Wile too, since otherwise he will not have any idea what is going on...

I would think the David Balty in England was a cousin of some sort. Possibly the Huguenot Societies (London, Ireland & NY) have an overall picture of Balty families.

Here’s another text of the 1758 will with some further notes:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=grooks&id...

John Balty is found listed on the tax roll in 1734 of Roxbory Township.

(So the family arrived before then)

The will of John Balte, Roxbury, Philadelphia Co, PA, dated 12 Apr 1754, proved 23 Sep 1758; Philadelphia Co, PA, Will Book L 171:

To son Jacob 1 shilling sterling, as he has received his portion. ...

[what did he get?]

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.(Conrad was a grandson, son of his other unnamed daughter and Abraham Krider).

So you’re missing a daughter who married Krider.

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John Baldy lived in Roxboro Twp., PA.

“The Daniel Berndeller who witnessed this will is another ancestor on my father's lineage.”

Ok, from the will we have two possibilities:

(1) Mary Sophia's maiden name is Krider, and she has a brother in Pennsylvanian and that's why there's a nephew Conrad Krider.
(2) Johannes has a sister who married a Krider and Conrad is her son.

Can't tell which from this without looking at the Kriders in Philadelphia...

The 1753 Arrival date doesn’t make sense to me. Jacob ll was having children beginning 1743 in Germantown. I would suspect it refers to some other guy.

Here’s a child list, they seem to have been born progressively westward ?

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=chloe02&i...

'John Balty is found listed on the tax roll in 1734 of Roxbory Township.

(So the family arrived before then)'

Well, 1743 was the naturalization date. I don't have a record of arrival.

It’s (2) Johannes has a sister who married a Krider and Conrad is her son.

The books are another big clue from the Will. “My big Dutch Bible.” I would guess Deutsch, not Dutch, but also might suggest German was a 2nd language as he’s specific. Also, family info recorded in Family bibles.

Here’s a Huguenot site

http://www.huguenot.netnation.com/general/

The 1753 trip seems like maybe a rearrival. I discounted it immediately.
I added the missing daughter, married to Abraham Krieder.
I don't know whether "nephew" would have been used instead of "grandson". It seems unlikely. I'm therefore still holding out for a real nephew, but I don't know what side of the family.
“The Daniel Berndeller who witnessed this will is another ancestor on my father's lineage.” - That's quite interesting if we can find some record of a Daniel Berndeller. "Ancestor" seems farfetched though?? Who does that line apply to, I wonder?? Where did you see it?

I've put what we think we know into Geni.

One point: Samuel Krider would have to be just under 21 if the will's conditions are to be meaningful, so I have him born in 1734. That makes the age difference between Johannes and his unnamed sister fairly large, FWIW.

Ok. I caught up with the source for your statement about Berndeller above.
Yeah, I'll hunt for him, and the Krieders too.

'Here’s a child list, they seem to have been born progressively westward ?'

The child list for John Jacob looks pretty complete to me. But yes, the went from Philly to Berks to Lebanon.

This is where the Will is carefully transcribed

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=grooks&id...

The nephew is from an abstract. Forget it, it’s an error. The will text is clear and written twice: “To Conrad Krider, son of my son-in-law Abraham Krider, after my wife's decease, my book called Christiandom, and my great pewter plate and dish.”

“to Conrad Krider, son of my son-in-law Abraham Krider. Should Conrad die before his age or has issue, his share goes to children of Urban Eschenbrenner.”

Therefore in 1754 Conrad is born 1734 or after. His mother and her husband Abraham are born by 1714, similar age range to Jacob & Anna Maria.

Someone probated that will and Conrad Krider received his inheritance (or not - it went to cousins) around 1758.

This is property, there are records.

BTW I would think from the wording the missing daughter is dead by 1754 and that’s why he’s careful to be explicit about the relationship. Expect Abraham to have remarried. Sister Anna Maria Balte was living in 1767 and she’s not named though so I could be wrong.

Anna Maria married 1743. Sister would have married around the same time.

One tree has this for Anna Maria

Birth: Feb 10 1710
Groß-Umstadt, Darmstadt-Dieburg, Hessen, Deutschland (Germany)

(Not sure it’s right)

I found a birth date for a Samuel Krider b. 1750 Pennsylvania. No other info.

'One tree has this for Anna Maria'

Does it have a maiden name? We can try to confirm it.

Daniel Berndollar is mentioned at what seems to be the death of his wife or sister in 1766 here: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/2451/42154_329937-00002?pid=20...

It's in German so clearly the Berndollars were Germanic. If they're ancestors they'd need to be ancestors of one of the wives (Mary Sophia unlikely, but maybe Anna Maria?)

I think the mention of "ancestor" was editorial comment by the person transcribing the will in Rootsweb. The Berndellers may well have intermarried with the Baltys more than once. I am tempted to look into the possibility of an Anna Maria Berndeller married to John Jacob Baldy.

“The Daniel Berndeller who witnessed this will is another ancestor on my father's lineage.”

However he doesn’t seem to have the line in his database.

I had forgotten to post this site:

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Urban_Eschenbrenner_(1)_