Thomas Lincoln - Death date

Started by Elizabeth Ann Jesse on Sunday, March 31, 2019
Problem with this page?

Participants:

Profiles Mentioned:

Showing 1-30 of 32 posts
3/31/2019 at 7:03 PM

Since all of the sources for his death date are only trees? I am suggesting we go with the date in the report from OCHM in Taunton, that says he died "sometime before 1745" unless someone has better records.

3/31/2019 at 10:30 PM

How does this look?

Death: between February 18, 1735 and 1745 (78-88)

(I also edited out the broken link under Gedcom source(

3/31/2019 at 10:43 PM

This works, although, I don't know where it says he was born Feb 18, etc.

4/1/2019 at 1:02 AM

I have not looked it up in Taunton VR - you may wish to - but the birth date is sourced.

Profile notes:

From The Lincoln Family Magazine by Clemens, William Montgomery, 1860-1931, ed. Published 1916 Topics Lincoln, Abraham, 1809-1865, Lincoln family. "Thomas Lincoln of Hingham, England and some of his Descendants," by M.L.P. 1917. page 82-83

“Thomas (3) Linkon, born 21 April, 1656, was living 11 March, 1733, when he conveyed land to son Jonathan. He died about 1745. ...”

https://archive.org/stream/lincolnfamilymag22clem#page/82/mode/2up

4/1/2019 at 1:06 AM

I added this citation:

Plymouth Colony, Mass, vol 8: FHL 6,046,866; 39, 40;, Thomas son of Thomas Lincoln (2), born 21 Apr 1656.

4/1/2019 at 1:09 AM

Okay--I meant I did not see where it gave Feb as a death date, not birth date. Sorry.

4/1/2019 at 1:11 AM

I just wondered where people came up with Feb 18, for death date, when the only thing that seems to be found is that he died before 1745.

4/1/2019 at 1:26 AM

Oh, no idea. Let’s go with “died between 11 March, 1733 & 1745” as per the citation. It can always be changed if there’s another reference.

Locking it up!

4/1/2019 at 1:29 AM

Okay, but I don't know why you wouldn't just go with "died before 1745" like the Taunton report said.

4/1/2019 at 1:35 AM

The report seems more reliable than some random death date of March 11.....

4/1/2019 at 1:39 AM

“Thomas (3) Linkon, born 21 April, 1656, was living 11 March, 1733, when he conveyed land to son Jonathan. He died about 1745. ...”

https://archive.org/stream/lincolnfamilymag22clem#page/82/mode/2up

Even this verifies what I just said, and you quoted it, so I don't know why you are adding months and says to the death date?

4/1/2019 at 1:40 AM

days, not "says" :)

4/1/2019 at 1:57 AM

Ah, I like to use a between range, and that’s a cool Geni function. Before 1745 could mean (if you’re being snotty) “before 2000 bc?” :)

In this case we have a record that he was living in 1733. So we set that as the upper boundary of the date range.

I don’t know where that feb date comes from - it was there. I should have taken it out before. I just also touched up a couple more of the references. Do we know it this Thomas Lincoln was the soldier in King Philips War?

4/1/2019 at 11:49 AM

Okay--I understand.The birth date rules out 2000 bc though. I am not sure about the soldier part. I think I have seen that, but what I have on him is that he owned a saw mill.

4/1/2019 at 12:25 PM

Then let’s leave the soldier off until / unless we can verify it was this Thomas Lincoln. Did you want to put in the occupation with a citation to it?

I’m so pleased with your help on this.

4/1/2019 at 9:51 PM

I am just not sure what I am doing when I try to cite sources. Otherwise, sure!

4/1/2019 at 9:56 PM

Here is something interesting from Bob Lincoln, who has done this Y-DNA research, that will really change things up:

"Meanwhile, Y-DNA has proven that Thomas "the miller" Lincoln is not related to Thomas "the weaver" or Samuel "the weaver" Lincoln (progenitor of President Abraham Lincoln). Thomas "the miller" belonged to the G2 haplogroup; Thomas the cooper to the T haplogroup (same as Thomas Jefferson); and all other Lincolns who have tested belonged to the R1b group, which is the most common in Europe.
SOURCE: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/lincoln/about/results
FOR MORE INFO: Family Tree DNA Lincoln Surname Project - Y-DNA Colorized Chart
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/lincoln/dna-results"

4/1/2019 at 9:58 PM

Bob's research has shown the miller was not related to President Lincoln.

4/1/2019 at 10:10 PM

Saw Mill: From the Lincoln genealogy at OCHM - this is Thomas-3 (Thomas-2-1):
"He lived near the Three Mile River, not far from the crossing that led to the road now called Glebe St., the house standing on land that was once part of Col. Frederick Mason's "Riverside Farm". Later he lived on the west side of the river at Fisher's bridge. He was styled "senior" as late as Dec. 31, 1698, and as "grand senior" in 1708. He owned a saw-mill on the Three Mile River "within three quarters of a mile down stream from my house." This mill was built by Thomas-2 Lincoln or Thomas-3 Lincoln previous to 1684 and undoubtedly was the first mill in the locality now called Westville. On Feb. 3,1712-13 he conveyed to John Andrews in consideration of four pounds and certain privileges, one sixth part of this mill and at the same time, one sixth part of said mill to each of his three sons Thomas, Nathaniel and William, "and I do reserve the remaining two sixth parts of said mill to my own dispose." (LP)"

4/1/2019 at 10:19 PM

Lincoln Genealogy, Pratt letter excerpt 3, at Old Colony Historical Museum, in Taunton, Mass. That is where the above info. comes from.

4/1/2019 at 10:40 PM

Also found: "Thomas-3 was in the King Philip's War under a Lt. Parker, and he and several others were fined for refusing to fight. From what I've read, it seems that perhaps he was a conscientious objector, unwilling to kill the natives."

This was also from Bob Lincoln, and I believe he got it from the Lincoln Genealogy at OCHM as well.

4/1/2019 at 10:44 PM

Also from Bob Lincoln "The Lincoln genealogy book at OCHM was compiled in the 1890s by Franklin Pratt and Minot Lincoln, who were both descendants of Thomas the miller, and whose families had been in Taunton or Raynham since the beginning. They did extensive research over the years from wills, gravestones, family papers, every record they could find. Given the state of records from the 1600s and 1700s, I trust their work most as it relates to the different lines. I have not found any errors in their work yet."

4/1/2019 at 11:06 PM

I see the site

http://www.oldcolonyhistorymuseum.org

But I’m not sure how to navigate to where you’re quoting from.

Sounds very thorough, and really nice details. Really nice.

The Y DNA project I knew about & I believe we’re pretty good on Geni with the President’s tree. Also we’ve been working hard for years to keep the Thomas’ separate.

4/1/2019 at 11:28 PM

You can't really navigate to a cited source from the link, The Lincoln Genealogy is in a huge binder at the museum. It is in the report they did for me, however! That report, I have posted here, somewhere, in media or something in the profiles. It is on page 13 of the report.
Re: Thomas the miller Lincoln is connected directly to President Abraham Lincoln on Geni.

4/1/2019 at 11:29 PM

Not Re:
Just trying to tell you that Thomas the miller Lincoln IS incorrectly linked to the President on Geni.

4/1/2019 at 11:30 PM

The reason being, is that Thomas the miller's parents are not known. However, on Geni, parents are attached.

4/1/2019 at 11:36 PM

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000090055275036& {{{Here is the report that Taunton did for me. The Pratt Letter excerpt is printed in the report, I believe, on p. 13.

4/1/2019 at 11:40 PM

I paid the curator in Taunton to research it for me. The pages the copied come from the Lincoln Genealogy binder, which there is no link to. You just have to call the museum to confirm.

4/1/2019 at 11:42 PM

Sorry for typos! It is very late, and i am cross eyed. LOL!

4/2/2019 at 12:02 AM

So, even though we aren't on his profile, in this particular discussion, no one knows who Thomas the miller Lincoln's parents were. There is no record in Taunton to confirm it. There is only a Find a Grave reference, and all of those were wrought with error. I have been sending them info. to fix them. Thomas the miller Lincoln should be separated from those parents, unless someone has proof (which I don't believe anyone has) of who his parents were.

Showing 1-30 of 32 posts

Create a free account or login to participate in this discussion