Matilda de Bulkeley - Wrong parents?

Started by Erica Howton on Friday, March 29, 2019
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I think she might belong here:

Robert de Bulkeley, of Eaton, Esq.

From http://cybergata.com/roots/7777.htm

Robert Bulkeley, of Bulkeley, Esquire, the eldest son, married a daughter of Thomas Bulter (Boteler), Baron of Warrington, in Cheshire, by whom he had two sons. First, William, his heir, and second Peter. Peter is the ancestor of the Bulkeleys, of Wore, in Shropshire, and Broxton, in Cheshire.

Robert also had four daughters. Alice married to ______ Weaver; Maud, to _______ Hampson; Janet, to John Larkton; and Margaret, to Griffith Vichan ap Jer Griffith ap Jerworth Goch.

~Collins's Peerage of England, Vol. VIII, pg. 8

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Been cleaning up time traveling Bulkeleys.

Interesting.

As you can see, I come into the issue from the Welsh side.

And in Bartrum’s notes as far as I have entered them, Gruffydd Fychan ap Gruffudd is married to Matilda de Bulkeley.

I entered Gruffudd, cleaning up from the inherited conflation of three generations of Gruffudd, disconnected Maud/Matilda from the wrong Gruffudd and attached her to the right Gruffudd, and that is the extent of my involvement. Bartrum’s notes will not be coughing up more information about her family, because it is not Welsh. And if they did, other sources would trump any differences in the Anglo-Norman tree. Because it is not a Welsh. The Welsh Genealogies don’t care so much about Anglo-Norman details. That goes the other way, too.

Tom entered Maud in 2014, and though he didn’t give sources, it looks like whatever source he was using was following Dwnn. Which is why the three generations of Gruffudd’s had been conflated.

Summation!

From the Welsh point of view, Maud de Bulkeley (verch Robert) was married to Gruffudd Fychan ap Gruffudd.

Other than the name of her father, the Welsh Genealogies have no more to say.

So WHICH Robert de Bulkeley is her father is, as far as I can see tonight, not addressed.

I can look at Bartrum’s notes and make sure about that, when next Cadair goes up.

Would Ormerod have more clarity?

~George Ormerod's The History of County Palatine and City of Chester, Vol III, pgs. 269, living 4 & 6 Edward II, and seems to have died in the later year

713 George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, Second Edition, Revised and Enlarged by Thomas Helsby, Published in 1882, London, England, by George Routledge and Sons, Volumes I-III on CD purchased from the Family History Society of Cheshire found on their website at www.fhsc.org.uk , the page numbers are given on individual webpages.

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