Oolootah Bowles (Hop) - T96750 vetted on Ftdna to this line. Anyone connecting on 1st chromosome, very long SNP ?

@Pat Rodgers Private

The Oolootsa married to John Bowles was a totally different - and much later - woman from the mother of Ghigoneli.

Later - during removal era
Oolootsa
Oolootas.
11 Oo-loo-tsa, of the Holly clan.
1112 Ghi-go-ne-li.
111213 Nannie. George Lowrey.
Ghi-go-ne-li.
11121314 John Lowrey. Elizabeth Shorey and Ga-ne-
McLemore.
2 George Lowrey. Lucy Benge.
A31 OK 3 Jennie Lowrey. Tah-lon-tee-skee.
A32 4 Elizabeth Lowrey. Joseph Sevier and hn Walker.
5 Sallie Lowrey. 5/23/17, 11=56 AM Page 5 of 13
http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oktttp/cherokee/history/chapter16.htm 5/23/17, 11=56 AM

The family cited is not connected to Duwali/John Bowles. His wife was simply a woman with the same name. Oolootsa, mother of Ghigoneli would have been born 1720-1730. Her existence is somewhat uncertain (almost no other families in Starr go this far back).

Wives were Jennie, Oo-loo-tsa and Oo-ti-yu

Starr, Emmett. History of the Cherokee Indians and Their Legends and Folk Lore. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: The Warden Company. 1921

https://www.accessgenealogy.com/genealogy/genealogy-of-the-cherokee...

11 John Bowles. Jennie, Oo-loo-tsa and Oo-ti-yu A33
1212 John Bowles. Jennie
2 French Bowles*
3 Nellie Bowles*
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4 Lightningbug Bowles. A-yu-su
5 Tu-noo-ne-ski Bowles*
6 Du-qu-li-lu- Wagon Bowles. Fannie Davis
7 Qua-ti-ni Bowles*
8 Tsa-gi-na Bowlcs. Bird Tail
_____
9 Rebecca Bowles. Tee-see Guess A29
10 Samuel Bowles. I-doo-si
11 Eliza Bowles. John Porum Davis
12 Nannie Bowles. George Chisholm
111213 James Bowles. Eliza Halfbreed
114213 Joseph Bowles*
2 Caroline Bowles*
OK 3 John Bowles*
4 Jefferson Bowles*
116213 Johnson Bowles*
2 Etta Bowles*
OK 3 Elizabeth Bowles*
4 Thomas Bowles*
118213 Gu-de-gi*
2 Ghi-go-nc-li
3 Go-yi-nc*
119213 Sallie Guess. Wiliam Foster
2 Joseph Guess*
OK 3 Catherine Guess. Joseph Downing
1110213 George Bowles*
1111213 John Davis*
11121314 Minnie Bowles. Elijah Hermogene Lerblance and Orlando Shay
OK 2 Richard H. Bowlcs. Bettie Blythe and Nannie Downing
11921314 Susie Foster. Levi Toney
11923314 Nannie Downing. Richard H. Bowles
2 Lucile Downing. Coggle
3 Edward Downing
4 Sequoyah Downing
5 Maud Downing
1112131415 Lillian Leblance
OK 2 Jessie Lamar Shay
1112132415 Thomas Bowles
2 Leo Bennett Bowles
OK 3 Richard Bowles
1192131415 Calvin Hanks Toney
2 Cicero Davis Toney
OK 3 Margaret Toney
4 Catherine Toney
5 Sallie Toney
1192331415 Leo Bennett Bowles
OK 2 Richard Bowles
1192332415 Cicero W. Coggle
2 Houston Goggle
A33. John Bowles was the son of a Scotch trader and a full blood Cherokee woman. His father was killed and robbed by two North Carolina while on his way home from Charlestown with goods for his establishment. This murder was in 1768 when the son was only twelve years of age, within the next two years the fair complexioned, auburn haired boy killed both of his father’s slayers. Bowles settled at Runningwater To one of the Chicamauga settlements near Lookout Mountain and at this place he became involved in an altercation with some pioneers who were floating down the Tennessee River and killed all the boatmen in June 1794. Bowles and his followers now manned the boats and navigated them down to the mouth of the St. Francis River in the Spanish province of Louisiana.

On arriving at their destination they placed all of the White women and children in a boat, relinquished to them all of the furniture which they claimed and allowed them to descend the Mississippi River to New Orleans.

Bowles and his followers joined the Cherokees that had lived in that locality for many years and he became their Chief in 1 795 a position he held until 181 3. On account of the earthquake that centered in their settlement in the winter of 1811-12, the Cherokees moved enmass to the country between Arkansas and White Rivers and a few of them settled south of the former stream. In accordance with the United States Cherokee treaties the limits of the Cherokee country was marked in the spring of 1819 by William Rector, Surveyor General of Arkansas and because it was not extended to include his town on Petit Jean Creek, on the south side of Arkansas River, Bowles with some sixty townsmen and their families emigrated in the winter of 1819-20 to the Spanish colony of Texas and settled between the Trinity and Angelina Rivers. They staid in Texas until July 16, 1839 when Bowles was killed and his colony evicted.

Ghigoneli is mentioned in the post above

Chief Bowles had a granddaughter named Ghi go ne li.

Gi-go-ne-li

On Geni since before 2007.

@Erica Howton -- Have you looked at the tree on the above referenced Gi go ne li? I thought it was Geni's stance that Moytoy had no descendants.

This profile shows her as being a descendant of Moytoy.

Tarchee "Dutch" The Long Warrior Telico Bird Clan

Profiles for parents Willenwah "Great Eagle" Moytoy &
Wurteh "Woman of Ani'-Wadi" Moytoy added Aug 2018 by Private User who should explain the tree entered.

Meanwhile I have disconnected and relationship locked so it won’t happen again.

Thank you for calling attention.

Willenawah has no known children. This is just a made up line. Wilenawa was a contemporary of Attakullakulla.

Willenawah (a.k.a., GREAT Eagle) was primarily known for the activities of his children who included: Kaiyah-tehee (a.k.a., Old Tassel); Wurteh (a.k.a., Worth) who married Nathaniel Gist and was the mother of Sequoyah; and Doublehead. " Big Eagle” was an English translation error for Great Eagle.
Little Prince is first recorded in 1780 living as a chieftain at Broken Arrow.

Chronicals of Oklahoma, Vol. 16, No. 1, March 1938" by John P Brown excerpt...

https://www.facebook.com/BeSafeAndKeepYourPowderDry/posts/big-eagle...

Here is everything the Brown article in the Chronicles of Oklahoma says
about Willenawah. You can find the article at
https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofokla1619okla/page/n7

Page 6:
Other prominent chiefs were Outacite of Keowee, known as Judd's Friend;
Big Eagle, Awali-na-wa known to the white men as Willenawah, of Toquo;....

Page 11:
Communications with Fort Loudoun were cut. Willenawah (Awali-a-wa, Big Eagle),
nephew of Old Hop, was entrusted with the siege of the fort which he pressed
with ever-increasing intensity.

Page 12:
The defeat of Montgomerly left Fort Loudoun in hopeless condition... A number
of the men had married Cherokee women, among these being William Shorey, Chas.
McLemore, and John Watts. The wives of these men managed to smuggle them a
few supplies. Willenawah threatened them with death, but the women replied
that if they were killed their relatives would, according to Cherokee law,
kill Willenawah in return.

Here is what is known about Willenawah:

Willenawah (Great Eagle) first appears in the historical record about 1750. His parents are unknown, as are any wife or children.
We know something about his family, because in 1756 Old Hop said, “It is true that Willenawah and the Little Carpenter [Attakullakulla] are my nephews, but I do not know how they would behave.” [Brown, John P. Old Frontiers. Southern Publishers, Inc. Kingsport, TN.1938. p. 67]

He was best known as a military leader, laying siege to Fort Loudon in 1760. [Brown, p. 95] In 1775 he participated in the Sycamore Shoals treaty. [Brown, p. 4]

Lt. Henry Timberlake listed Willenawah as the head man of Toqua on his map drawn in 1762. [Map, Museum of the Cherokee Indian collection, reproduced in the Museum edition of the “Memoirs of Lt. Henry Timberlake,” p. 16]

Christopher French recorded in his journal “On August 21 the Little Carpenter set out for Fort Prince George with a delegation consisting of Oconostota’s brother, Williniwah, Old Hop’s son Cappy, Old Caesar, Moytoy of Hiwassie, the Raven of Tomatly, Half Breed Will of Nequassie, the Mankiller of Nequassee, and a large number of attendants.” [Corkran, David H. The Cherokee Frontier 1740-1762. University of Oklahoma Press, Norman. 1962. p. 265]

The last mention of Willenawah occurred in the spring of 1777 when Dragging Canoe and his followers split from the rest of the Cherokee Nation. Willenawah was one of the older chiefs who supported Dragging Canoe. [Brown, p. 164]

Linda Carr Buchholz,

Moytoy does have descendants, my cousin in Texas talked to one just last week, and she lives in Alabama

Linda Bomes

But the Geni curators dispute that. Without documented proof they won't allow it on Geni.

It I may ...

This is the current article on Moytoy at Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moytoy_of_Tellico

It lists his family thusly:

According to some authorities, Moytoy's wife was a woman named Go-sa-du-isga,. After the death of Moytoy, his son, Amouskositte, tried to succeed him as "Emperor". However, by 1753 Conocotocko (Old Hop) of Chota in the Overhill Towns had emerged as the dominant leader in the area.

This is the current article for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amouskositte

No family for him.

Is this the Old Tassell?

Corn Tassel Utsi'dsata, Beloved Man of the Overhill Cherokees

No that’s another messed up/non-existent person. There are no records of Cherokee chiefs in the 1600’s.. “Old Tassel” or “Corn Tassel” was born in the 1730’s, he was a brother of Doublehead.

In regard to the topic of this thread: Updating. Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 is one of 200 matchers+ who triangulate on the Segment app of Tier 1 where the sirname of predominance amongst matchers is Young, Hill,and Bryant, with Hicks noted. More as more information comes in.

Can the FTDNA participant share his Genesis number?

SNP 1 140 atDna results - weaves John The Elder claimants to John Bowles of TX Band of Cherokee, same area of the 1st chromosome and specifically and categorically are the same family of Bowles connecting https://www.facebook.com/John-Bowles-The-Elder-564075867400992/?mod... to https://www.geni.com/projects/Sophia-Bear-Hunter/51287?fbclid=IwAR2....