Hannah (Sewell) Carter - Support for James Crewes as father of Hannah Carter

New person Cindy G. H. is aware now to disconnect via discussion. Hannah got disconnected. This ynda line of her husbands goes to the planter not from England, by the way.

@Erica Howton

Here is also information that suggests a possible mother for Hannah as Moriah Bland.

Moriah Household Servant/Slave of James Crews, Arrohatok-Powhatan-Metis (born Bland) was born in 1624, at birth place, to John Bland (Toro Native American) and Louisa Native American Bland.
John was born in 1580, in Virginia, United States.
Louisa was born circa 1580, in Colony, Laurel, Kentucky, United States.
Moriah married James Crews.
James was born in 1610, in Middlesex England.
They had one daughter: Hannah Carter (born Crews).
Moriah passed away on month day 1676, at age 52 at death place.
https://www.myheritage.com/names/moriah_crews

If James Crewes did have a Native consort, we do not have a record of her name. Since there’s no mention in his will, she was dead before 1676. You might want to see if there’s any record of natives in his household - I know he had at least one, and at least one African slave also.

On another discussion there is as much compelling evidence to consider Hannah Carter as a Sewell or a Rowen as there is a Crewes.

Thanks, Private - I returned Hannah to her wife & kids. I think all of us curators will get more in the habit of relationship locking on “controversial” profiles so there is discussion and transparency. In a sense, we’re shy! But the discussion of evidence is so important.

I see the uploaded Y DNA (111 Marker test) for the Giles Carter line as R M512 which is European

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about/background

Here’s the profile for Moriah Bland, {Fictional}

The wording of the MyHeritage tree is suspiciously like Don Greene’s style ... “Moriah Household Servant/Slave of James Crews, Arrohatok-Powhatan-Metis (born Bland) was born in 1624, at birth place, to John Bland (Toro Native American) and Louisa Native American Bland.“

Hannah's husband 's ydna QUESTION> Is Theodrick Carter really, really, really an R M512? Because not buying that he is. QUESTION: Where is the proof that Theodrick was BORN before 1676 at Turkey Island, Henrico Co, Va instead of to the Surry Native line? QUESTION> Is there atDna proof coming, that he was the son of Giles Carter at this profile, here, the native line of MINGO? https://www.geni.com/.../Giles-Carter.../6000000085695140911 Discount that Theodrick obtained land from his legit dad in a will, are we 100% sure that Theodrick was not Carter of the Mingo Dawson Family? 100%? ? ? ?

Bland, Wood, Hill = Fellowship of Traders people for Edward Bland. The Crews had land on a map in Perquimans and had Yeopim servants of the Cruize, Cruce, Krause, Crow named resynced family names to matchers from Page and Keller and Miramontes Familes of that area and we know that from cousin matches and in what way and to whom and when and connected to what properties with dissertation in the source section of the Chief of the Yeopim.

Private My understanding is that Theodrick (son of Giles of Turkey Island) “does” have a question mark around his parentage.

“William Sewell left his estate entirely to Giles Carter jr. b. 1686 his wife Elizabeth was dead by the time of the will 1725.”

But there were two sons & Theodrick was older.

Possibilities are that come to mind:

- Hannah brought a child to the Carter marriage
- There was more than one Hannah (a first wife who was not a Sewell)
- Theodrick alienated his grandfather :)
- it was a more beneficial financial arrangement
- the Sewell legacy was for a different reason than family

I can not find the internet article on the Theodrick Carter claimant whose ydna was Iberian. I am trying to find it.

So it looks like you have a testable condition to set up, that needs more tree work, and also finding more DNA tests.

The Y DNA upload is for the Giles Carter, Jr. line.

You need a YDNA upload from the Theodrick Carter, I, of Henrico line. He has sons, I think this might be findable.

For a daughter line (which may or may not prove anything, because we don’t know if Giles Sr had only one wife) I think building down tree from daughters of Susannah Williamson should result in living descent.

It does not look like her sisters Mary Davis & Ann Davis had known children.

I went ahead and edited in proposed parents of Moriah Bland

John Bland Was showing with a 1560 Birth date which seems impossible.

Moriah had been showing with a 1623 Birth date, in my opinion to match the date of James Crewes. But that’s unrealistic: if she had been a consort at the time of his death she was more likely a younger woman. BUT perhaps she’s best with a range date until we know more about his household.

Another thing to consider is building tree from the niece and nephew of James Crewes, who were his heirs.

John Bland b. 1560 is skipping a generation.

The Crews land on the Outer Bank's inner side near the inlet, that was Spanish granted. Cruz, Crouce, Krause, Crows named people.

The Theodrick Carter ydna article that I read just last night, where did it get copy and pasted? I put it somewhere on one of the Giles Carters, now number 3 and one who had no kids per the sign on his church wall, which probably means he did have kids, if you know what I am saying.

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21APEohxg9n4GFCIE&id=FF8496...

Just put in everything that is on Fold 3 site about Theodrick Carter.

The claimant of the Theodrick Carter who was born in 1791 in Powhattan County, Virginia. appears that shortly after his birth the family moved to Prince Edward County as that is where his younger siblings were born. Theodrick served with his brother in the War of 1812 from December 1813 to April 1814. This claimant had a post where the ydna did not line up to Giles Carter of Turkey Island.

Hannah Carter is B. Russell's first cousin 8 times removed's wife's husband's great aunt's husband's mother!
B. Russell
You → Dad
your father → Delbert Chesley Russell
his father → Charles Baxter Russell
his father → John Wesley Russell
his father → Mary E. Russell
his mother → David Boone
her father → John Boone
his father → Jonathan Morgan Boone
his father → Squire Maugridge Boone, I
his father → Mary 'Polly' Webb (Boone)
his sister → Samuel Webb
her son → Rebecca Webb
his wife → Samuel Webb
her husband → William Webb
his father → John Webb, II
his father → Elizabeth Webb
his sister → Theodrick Carter of Henrico
her husband → Hannah Carter
his mother

Don’t know if this helps but also my 6th ggm Mary Nancy Carter Boon.

Keep in mind that there were numerous men named Giles Carter in England and Virginia over a dozen that I know of. And keep in mind they were also from different Carter families as proven by DNA. We know of different Carter families passing on the Giles given name. The Giles and Theodorick given names are not unique to one family as thought by early researchers!

There were over 7 men named Theodorick in colonial Virginia and in at least 2 different Carter families. I suggest you tag them with their dob or estimated dob to keep then separate. Theodorick b. est before 1676 was of Ydna haplo group i 1 group 12 as shown by 4 tests on descendants.

Theodorick Carter b. 1791 Powhatan va Was RM 512 R1a subclade His family:

Giles Carter sr. b. 1634 probably R1a
Giles Carter jr. b. 1686 over 6 tests on descendants showing R1a subclades
Poval Carter 1 b. abt 1707 one descendant testing R1a
Daniel Carter b. 1737 had 3 sons all descendants of these lines test R1a
Poval Carter 2 b. 1762 descendants testing R1a
Theodorick b. 1791 later moving to PE va tests showing R1a

There is no proof as to Giles Carter sr's ydna as he called both Theodorick and Giles jr sons in his will and in deeds, but as a man can only have genetic decendants in one haplo group. One of these is a stepson. Which would you choose? Giles Carter jr. named after the father right?....or Theodorick the oldest who got what ?= 5 shillings in Giles Carter sr.'s will or Giles Carter jr. who split the rest of the estate with his mother. Notice also James Crewes will which gives his "loving Friend's daughters" 20,000 lbs of tobacco & caske and gives Theodoric named as son of Hannah nothing. Looks like both James Crewes and Giles Carter knew who his natural son was by these deeds.

My theory is Giles Carter first married Hannah b. abt 1637 daugher of Henry Rowen of Weyanoake. In about 1660 she was likely a widow with child at the time Giles Carter married her and named the child Theodorick the name of his own father. James Crewes gave both Giles and Hanna the "LIFE" use of a house and 50 acres. This was set up as a lease for a grain of Indian corn per year a legal devise used by James Crewes because he could not give land in fee simple to a non. blood related person. Hannah signed her rights to the life use to William Randolph in 1684 so still living....the first wife of Giles Carter in 1684 but not much longer I think she died about 1685 and Giles Carter remarried to Hannah Sewell a much younger woman daughter of William Sewell and they had a son Giles Carter jr. b. abt 1686. There is also a gap in the ages of Giles Carter's children that suggests 2 wives. Those born before 1676 (James Cruse's will) probably a decade before and Giles Carter jr. born a decade after the will.
I used to believe one wife but a woman born in the early 1630's would have difficulty having a child late in life or about age 50.

The atDna claimants of William Carter, of Surry who needs a spouse line up perfectly in triangulations with Hannah Carter's descendants on the 2 71 SNP in very large numbers. Someone ties these two groups together in Hannah's parentage.

Kiskaiao (Dawson) Carter is claimed as the mother of Hannah Carter. The support for Crewes as the father is also established with atDna in 84 similar family names turned in by 4 AncestryDNA resync participants, namely Gale Torregrossa, Castro Cris, Penny Turner, John Creech who match to Adventure 5.0 Fellos Christina Brittain Lampkin, and downline Folsom/Dawson/Bryant matchers too numerous to list, who match in the same way as the Adventure 2.0 claimants of 60 participants of Cannon Cumbo or Harrison and Carter descendants did in 2015.

You’ll have to translate that into tree terms for me. :)

I’d want to see a tree relationship between descent of GILES Carter of Turkey Island.

Was Henry Rowen of Weyanoke the father of this Henry Rowen ?

Yes he was.

He also had a sister that married Richard Ingram and a brother John that married the widow of John Price. This John is the Rowen dying young having only a young son named Henry after his father that also left livestock and the use of a house and land on turkey island to Giles Carter. I think for the support of his sister Hannah. Very little is known of Henry Rowen sr. he arrived on the Tempest was the indentured servant of Abraham Piercey of Jordans Journey later called Flowerdew Hundred. Henry was born about 1599 was enumerated in the 1625 va muster, and referred to as an ancient planter receiving a land grant in the Weyanoke area of Charles City in the early 1630's and involved in i think 2 land transactions. He is the only person named Rowen in any early Virginia records that I know of ; He lived in the area Near Turkey Island where we find John Rowen and his siblings in 1662.

From notes in the profile for John Price, Jr.

4. JOHN PRICE7,8 was born about 1628 in Virginia. He died about 1662 at the age of 34.

The identity of the wife of the second John Price is unknown. She may have been a sister of John and Henry Rowen as evidenced by the Will of John Rowen, 1662, Henrico Co. Another more likely possibility is that she might have married John Rowen after the death of John Price and he was the stepfather of the young Price boys. In his Will, John Rowen instructed his brother Henry to bring up the two sons of the deceased John Price and to manage their estates. He also made small bequests to the orphans, Daniel and John Price. Other bequests were made to his brother Henry, nephew John [son of Henry] and his own son Henry, as well as to Giles Carter. His brother-in-law Richard Ingram was asked to raise his son Henry.

At least one person has suggested that Giles Carter's wife Hannah was another Rowen and that is why he is mentioned in the will. I doubt that. I'm not sure she was old enough to have been married to Giles by 1662 - most estimate her birth as circa 1650. Of course if the estimate is wrong she could have been older. Then if she was older and married to Giles Carter as early as 1662, it seems her children would have been born earlier.

Yes the estimates for Giles Childrens dates of birth are off. Almost all trees proudly show Theodorick Carter born 23 July 1676 Where have you seen this date? It is not from a tombstone, or birth record though it appears to be. It is an estimate... the will date of James Crewes and Thodorick was born BEFORE this date. Theodorick the likely oldest son of Hannah was born about 17 years before this date.

Mike Carter Are you up for some tree building and editing? We are missing the Rowen family almost entirely