Jennie Ahniswakie (Vann) Thompson - Disconnected from parents

(No Name) You cannot have a Private tree on Geni for documented historic figures. Do it again and you’ll be reported.

@Renee Hallman Marsh, @Margaret Ann Fleminig, and Riana Palacio worked on their common SNP, looked at their trees on their triangulations, painstakingly ruled out their other possibilities of matching and after a year, settled on the tree that was built by all three cooperating together and it was a lot of work.

And they vandalized the Geni Cherokee tree that I have been working on for 9 years. Nine years !

I spent hours sourcing and building a tree for John Thompson, of Caddo Parish because I thought it might help the sourcing and connecting effort, instead it was disconnected.

I’ve just spent another two hours fixing the Vann tree again.

What was that about a lot of time put in ?

Come back at the Jennie Vann question with quotes from Emmett Starr.

Nancy Vaughn was a Vaughn, not a Vann, not a Thompson. There’s nothing ambiguous about her marriage record, which I found very easily:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000085468651016&

And then turning duplicates of Cherokee leaders private?? The internet is full of private trees. You want to work collaboratively, then respect the curator tools, and don’t play with me. I’m the first to say I’m wrong or I’m sorry or to fix things. But I’m the last person to work around.

The link today on that Starr book was put into the Discussion board. Sometimes the atDna is different than the paper trail. The Childress marriages were 3, with records. The work around on Margaret's doing is her newbie view. After supplying the doc for her into the discussion, the disconnection still happened and she felt apparenly that she could do that as many do I notice who don't get Geni. Is Geni going to reconeect our Childres line to her siblings, which is my point. Regardless of whom the parents are, it is a fact that these 3 people triangulate right to this particular person, this Jennie.

They triangulate to someone, but not this Jennie.

For me as a curator on Geni, In a case where dna studies beyond the 4th gen say something different than the paper trail, paper trail “wins.”

There is no obvious correlation between Nancy Vaughn and Judith Thompson so no reason to show them as siblings, “particularly” with an impossible mother.

And Judith’s parents are known.

I found an abandoned tree on Geni, another child of John & Ann ? Thompson, added to the tree for John Thompson, of Caddo Parish

Elizabeth Garner

I’m using this study as a guide

http://dgmweb.net/FGS/Th/ThompsonJohn-_-of-CaddoParLA.html

There are a lot of Thompson's that tie to the Mt Tabor Indian Community. Maybe that would be helpful.

@Erica Howton

I have a ton of Thompson & just trying to figure out where they all fit.

In going down the Garner tree, there seems to be a native line coming in by Marriage into the Texas family. So that would be worth looking at perhaps.

Also apparently there’s a Y DNA Thompson study. That might help in sorting which lines are which, and if there is any validity to the suggested Theophilius Thompson father. But I don’t see any build out on the only son, Archibald.

@Erica Howton

They have taken the roll offline but I have a copy of it from when it was there.

It's 9 pages long. Is there some way to get it to you or upload it to Geni?

Linda and I are a good example of AtDNA working in conjunction with paper trail. We have a weak / small match (I think?) at the predicted 7th cousin level ? (Linda could describe this better). Our MRCA is Brinsley Barnes, who is well studied (although it can get confusing with all the Barnes). (I think I’m a Barnes 2 or 3 ways actually.) The geographical migrations are consistent, and we both have confidence that the Geni tree is pretty accurate. But! A lot of researchers working a lot of years to get to this point ... I have paper trail 4th cousins don’t match in AtDNA; and tons of predicted 4th & 3rd, no clue (that’s also endogamy, and the actual relationship is more distant).

@Erica Howton

There are a TON of Thompson on the Mt Tabor roll

@Erica Howton

There are a TON of Thompson on the Mt Tabor roll

You can upload to a profile. PDF format is best, Geni accepts up to 50 page pdf file. Then it can be tagged to multiple profiles also as source, annotated in the “notes” field, “described” where it comes from ... a ticked off “source” shows in the profile also.

Help menu: https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/sections/206535887-Documents?mobile_...

Example: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000085330708116&

n.b. Obviously this is a compilation, not even a secondary source. But I have found it a reliable site with good citations, so thought it helpful for the Geni tree.

Gonna have to find a profile to put it on

@Erica Howton

Is there maybe a way I could do a Project or Discussion page and just put it there instead of an individual profile?

@Erica Howton

I just created a profile for one of the people on the roll & attached it there.

Lt. Absolem Archibald Thompson

A project might be a really good idea. This is Thompson families of America, correct ? And then on the project front page link profiles to the “line starters” (earliest known Ancestor). At the bottom of the project page I would compile ===References for further study, for example to the Y DNA project.

Ha! That was pretty brilliant, immediately matched & merged.

I “ticked off” facts:

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000085497848888&

So maybe the project is better focused as Mt Tabor community ?

I’ve completed entry of the children of John Thompson, of Caddo Parish based on his will. Their oldest child seems born 1778, meaning his wife was born say 1760 or earlier.

Well there's all kinds of families so I think Mt Tabor Indian Community would be better project and then add profiles of people to it that were of that community.

Can you get that started & then let me have link.

Also can you move the roll document over to it?

@Erica Howton

I've started the Mt Tabor Project but not quite sure how to get the roll over there.

You should make the project ! Amazingly easy:

https://www.geni.com/projects (start a new project)

Then tag the same document to the media section.

Then practice inviting collaborators by inviting me.

Then you can also associate it (related projects) with existing projects. I put in keywords also to make it easier to find.

And of course the best part is a great project image.

Help screen: https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229705947-How-do-I-create-a...

(PS) the project starter has “control,” and I’d rather see someone knowledgeable in that role.

Photos & documents, add document, navigate to your document.

Or - from the document there’s an “add to project” link (about midway down on the right)

I see the project, well done.

https://www.geni.com/projects/Mount-Tabor-Indian-Community/51112

Here’s another “help” tool

https://www.geni.com/projects/Working-with-Projects/12487

So I’ve been trying to clean up Thompson trees on Geni.

This is what I think so far:

- The Thompson line that goes to Mt Tabor originates in America with Matthew Thompson. If I interpret the chart correctly, his descendant Y DNA Haplogroup is C-M216

- John Thompson of Caddo Parish seems to have a father claimed by some trees as Theophilus Thompson (who didn’t have that name although a son did); and also is seen with a Native American wife. If that’s the person being thought about, it is this profile: John "Theophilus" Thompson his descendant Y DNA Haplogroup is R1b1, so he is not related to Matthew.

- Neither man is suggested as father on http://dgmweb.net/FGS/Th/ThompsonJohn-_-of-CaddoParLA.html

Which notes:

Apparent Kin: Joseph Buchanan THOMPSON of Caddo Par., LA, said to be a proven descendant of Thomas THOMPSON & Ann FINNEY of Berks Co., PA

A patriarchs Page: http://www.thompsonfamilies.org/pats.html

This is the Y DNA results chart for the Thompson surname project at ftDNA:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/thompson?iframe=yresults

Hope it helps.

Re: The avatar states that the children are Judith, Steven, Sarah, Millie Ann, Archibald, as opposed to Mary Bond; Sarah “Sally” Foster; Elizabeth Garner; Lavinia Price; Archibald Thompson; Nancy Iles and Judith "Judah" Thompson.

Agreed.

The site the screen shot is from

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/s/m/i/Christy-Smith-ms/WEBSITE-0001/U...

seems to be about a different person from John Thompson of Caddo Parish, but a couple of children seem to ascribe to both children.

There are no sources cited.

The Geni tree is based on his will abstract, which included naming a grand child Delaney West.

No Steven, Sarah or Millie in that extract, as quoted.

There’s an unsourced tree for Millie here

http://morethanjustacemetery.com/getperson.php?personID=I8286&t...

The dates & locations don’t fit for John of Caddo Parish.