Johannes Mawd - Mawd-Longbotham Family Lines

Where do you suggest the line be disconnected?

Hi Erica !
I do know that there are good sources for Alice (Mawd) (Maud) Longbotham and her husband, Brian Longbotham, but I have not found aynything as to family line (their parents) connections past them. Have not found the parents of either, Alice (Maud) (Mawd) nor the parents of her husband, Brian Longbotham.

Thanks
Eric

Sources for Brian Longbotham and wife,
Alice Mawd -
Generations, (New Brunswick Genealogical Society), Issue 60:18, Summer 1994.

Added your citation to Brian Longbotham & Alice Longbotham

I see Brian has another wife also - Agnes Longbottom

Is she cited in your source?

Children of Brian & Alice on Geni as John Thomas Longbotham & Elizabeth Moore

Elizabeth is the mother of the immigrant ancestor, Abraham Shaw, of Dedham

I don’t recognize Agnes at all. I only know of one wife for Brian Longbotham and that was Alice Mawd per source citation that I showed earlier.
Thanks
Eric

Disconnected Agnes Longbottom as wife.

Let us now look for primary sources for parents of Brian & Alice, and track down where their pedigrees come from. Locations & dates are consistent, so so far, it’s not a nutty pedigree, like some I’ve seen.:)

I don’t recall exactly when they started keeping Parish registers at Halifax in Yorkshire, but there are good ones.

But - I’ll start with what Anderson etc might have to say in The Great Migration Begins.

Well, we may need to put Agnes back in some form.

Here is the parent / Ancestry controversy, please read more at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Shaw-84

The following comes from the book, Shaws of New Brunswick and Maine With Roots in Massachusetts and England 1518 - 2004: Descendants of Christopher Shaw of Northowram, Yorkshire, England and his grandson Abraham Shaw who settled in Dedham, Massachusetts that migrated north into New Brunswick and Maine. compiled by George H. Hayward, 2004.

"Dr. Daniel Turner, in his Shaw book (1973), said that Abraham Shaw may have been the son of a young unmarried Shaw girl in Halifax, England. And John Brooks Threlfall, in his book, "Fifty Great Migration Colonists to New England, and Their Origins" (Madison, Wisconsin, 1990) gives Abraham's parents as Thomas and Elizabeth (Longbotham) Shaw, of Halifax, Yorkshire, England, and Thomas' father as Thomas Shaw Sr. However, Russell F. Shaw, M.D., of Los Alamos, New Mexico, in his article, "The English Ancestry of Abraham Shaw of Dedham, Massachusetts (1590-1638)," said Thomas Shawe was born about 1542, a son of Christopher Shawe, that he was dead by 6 May 1600 when his will was proved in the Prerogative Court of York (Archdesconry of Pontefract), that he married first, in Halifax, Yorkshire, England, 10 Jul 1569, Elizabeth Mawde, who was buried from Halifax Church 16 Apr 1588, and that he married second in Halifax, 15 Dec 1589, Elizabeth Longbothom. After Thomas died, Elizabeth married Richard Moore at Halifax, 15 Apr 1601, and was still living 15 Jul 1624 when she received administration of his intestate estate.

So it reads like the more current thinking is that Thomas Shaw, Jr. was born 1542, not 1562, and was a son of this Christopher Shaw, of Northowram ?

Am I interpreting correctly ?

Is there any definite proof that Christopher Maude is Johannes Mawd’s
Father ?
And his mother was Jane Towneley ?
I can’t find any source for this.
I did see this. Is this good source ?
http://www.thepeerage.com/p49456.htm#i494555

Re the parentage of Alice Longbotham

Showing on Geni as John Mawd and Agnes Mawd

I don’t have sources but frankly I don’t hate it. Dates and locations and names are consistent. So I hesitate to disconnect without more research effort.

I did add a Marriage Citation to Alice’s profile

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJHG-9ZL : 10 February 2018), Brianus Longbothome and Alicia Mawde, 1558; citing Halifax, York, England, reference 2:KHV80D, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 496,813

Thanks Erica

Maybe Sources that are good will show up one day for Johannes Maud and his wife, Agnes Best who are said here to be the parents of Alice (Mawd) Longbotham. Maybe there will show how they are connected. I just have a feeling they probably are not connected as parents.
Hopefully, some documentation that’s good will open up where this information came from, but I can’t seem to confirm at this time that they are Alice’s parents.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/family/LJBR-QDY Shows without sources John Mawd 1480 - 1520 married Agnes Townley about 1501 in Halifax, their son John Mawd married Agnes Best

Also wondering how he fits with John Mawd, of the Clough Head