Penelope Clark (unknown) - FOUND Penelope Bolling Clark

2nd book list Penelope as Bolling and her daughter as marrying Benjamin Johnson. Added that and the SNP information to the About Section and to the Source section which for in summary is a cluster at 1 145 for more than 40 claimants who match there and most claim Keziah Bryant via the non doctor Richard Bryant whose claimants show a clear X match trend to Bryants, Bernards, and Brashiers of La Louisianne Era. For those thinking those familes were not in the pre British French backcountry treks, you would do well to read Atakapassa District records where those familes were buying, selling, and marrying Ashnoya French Choctaw very early and the linqustics shows the dialectal patterns of the Powhatan upon the Choctaw, well known to linguists. But the supposed DrRichard Bryant's claimants may want to rethink his orgins back to LaSalle era Frenchmen, per the X matches of the claimants which are clear to the Bryant Historical Society descendants of the same families.

will of Christopher Clark. I also found some info on Cheistopher and Penelope in the book Early Settlers of Alabama and took a pic of the page. Where can I upload this info?
http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/louisa/wills/clark1.txt

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I put it into the Source tab for you, Kelly.

Thank you, all, for your research. Thank you, David, for posting to the profile. I will review and make the appropriate adjustments to my curator notes on the profile.

The 9th child of Penelope (Bolling) Clark, Capt Christopher Clark II, has a profile awaiting a merge over. When will that particular merge take place, would you know?

The 9th child is in the will and is missing from Penelope (Bolling) Clark's children as of yet.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000087386697978&

Alexander Clark Please weigh in?

The Bolling vs Johnson debate has been going on for well over 100 years. It was re-ignited when President Woodrow Wilson's wife started doing genealogy and making newspaper comments about it. Soon all the Washington DC elite were going at it like crazy. Particularly in the matter of folks trying to link themselves to early American figures from Jamestown or with the Pilgrims.
The desire to link to Pocahontas was a real big thing for quiet awhile and now it is come into fashion once again. There are two branches of Bollings, one with a claim to the Pocahontas blood line and one that does not. ( well both claim it when possible ) So there are notes even from the 1800s where the Bollings are listed as a likely family for Penelope Clark. Mostly because they were hoping to link her to Pocahontas. And English aristocrats via the Bolling line.

This of course is countered by the Pro-Johnson Faction. Which links Penelope back to Scottish royalty. Through her dad Edward Johnson and Elizabeth Walker Johnson.
There is even an old book titled the lineage of Penelope Johnson Clark.
This Johnson claim is somewhat supported by the fact the the Johnson's own the land next to Christopher Clark on Powhite Creek.
It is further supported by the habit of the family at that time to marry cousins within the Quaker community. Which they did with the Johnsons.
Plus naming conventions that link Johnson and Clark names with their kids.
My DNA as a direct descendant from Capt Christopher and Penelope shows zero Native American DNA. Which goes against all of the stories I was told on both sides of my family. Plus I show no Bolling cousins. But I do have a bunch of cousins Named Johnson. With no Johnsons in my family line since the 1700s.
BUT that does not make a closed case.

There is also one small faction that claims that Penelope's last name was Massie. Who knows..??

Capt Christopher did have a first wife named Elizabeth. They never had any surviving children. She must have died around 1708 since all mention of her disappears and Christopher Marries Penelope around 1708 or 1709. They then have their first son EDWARD, in 1710 ( off the top of my head ) followed by all sorts of children who lived.

Oddly enough, The Johnson's had a daughter slightly older than Penelope named Elizabeth. All mention of her disappears in the early 1700s. I always wondered if Christopher was first married to one sister who could not have kids and then died?? And if he then married the slightly younger and much healthier sister named Penelope??? They lived on the next door property.

This Clark line is very narrow. Although there were some neighbors like the BROOKS Family who had children with CLARK DNA. The time line for those works out to be about when Edward Clark was around 18 years old. There is also a line of the Bunch family with CLARK DNA. They too loved down the road in old Virginia.

About 7 to 10 generations before Capt Christopher, the direct Clark male Y-DNA line merges or splits away from a family named Hurst (also seen as Hust,& Hirst ) ...

My wife says I have to get off the computer....

Alexander Clark Thank you for laying out the argument and it’s history.

This is why we should rule that area of the Johnson's out as matching, even in half cousin matches: Take the 300 Johnson claimants that are 23andMe to the Martin claimants and see if they match up on replication of their kits; or if in 23andMe, that is already replicated there at a click of any of who are closest matching to said groups. When this is done, the result would show these numerous Johnson kits in an overlap in the same way as at least 1/4 of their vetted cousin Bolling kits who show very clear trend lines at 1 145 (specific to Keziah Bryant) , 9 136 (Martin/Fugate line), and the 10 4,6, 66 (mapped for specific Martin /Fugate lines), the SNPs of at least some of the clusters matching to multiples of claimants on the Bolling side. The hundreds of Johnson kits should match in the same way and having looked at 100 plus of them, it is not showing up that they match in the same ways. The chances of matching are slim but when you see a cM of 11 with the Keziah Bryant group lining up in a 3D chromosome view just like they claim, for the most part and quickly, replicating these are easy to lead to a conclusion. The results line up to Bollings whose 2 primary sourced documents are in the Source Tab of Penelope Bolling Clark in older primary source book citations. For the replication Johnson and Bolling 40 kits of these Bolling claimants and their World22 App, it breaks down Artic (Powhatan) alleles, these can be added to the Geni project in the Bollings project.

One problem I see is that on a DNA site like Family Tree DNA, they let you list your name and all the names YOU THINK you have in your family.

So if I type in a search for DNA matches who NOW have the Johnson or Bolling last name. I see a list of those people.

If I ask a general question on matches I see all the folks who believe they have a family name in their background. My family ( including me) bought into the Bolling story for over a 100 years. So a bunch of those descendants just keep coping and pasting that info. Just as do the folks who are in the Johnson camp or Massie camp.

We really need something solid. Which we do not have so far. Someplace or another there are letters written by the Clark daughters. It would be interesting to see if any of them talk about visiting relatives that could link us in the correct direction.

I occasionally wonder if Penelope had been previously married, has had been Capt Christopher. That could throw a monkey wrench into name hunting...

Alex

OF 10,000 studied on 3 professional servers, 1/3 being Johnsons and being able to see exactly where they allign, which is not the same as vetted Bollings who have clearly defined SNPS, stopping at 3 because that is plenty in 3 D group chromosome browser entry by any who would like to replicate it, the Geni Projects has the Bolling Project.

So if you look at the Bolling line Starting with the Col Robert Bollings dad or grandfather. Where do you see a Penelope Bolling born around the correct time?

hi Alexander,
i don't think Capt Christopher Clark and Penolope are my direct ancestors aa far as I am aware. I knew there were others looking for Clarks and copied info for them. :) I show DNA matches to col robert Bolling and a few dna matches to Powhatan but mostly to Nicati and Celopatra. Not finding alot of dna matches to Pocahontas thou some of the paper trail i fpund on William Hill and Hannah Halbert suggests that Pocahontas might be a grandma of sorts. i also show dna matches to Clark, Martin, Fugate, Johnson, Bryant but have not yet figured out my connection to those surnames.

The 9th child is in the will and is missing from Penelope (Bolling) Clark's children as of yet.

Dear curator(s), please check the Source tab as it is beginning to appear there may be a "preponderance" of evidence for birth name (referring to the curator note on this profile). The true relationship paths are very difficult to visualize until all of the merges are completed and we are 100% at the mercy of the curator...that is NOT necessarily a "bad" thing but can be rather disappointing and discouraging when attempting to utilize the Geni as a tool in predicting relationships between DNA matchers since Geni still is very much depends on the "paper trail" which, in many cases (sadly) is non-existent. Thank you again. The purpose of this post being to request that the sources applied to the profile be reviewed and considered.

As I cannot put my 6th Great grandmother Penelope Clark as a Bolling,I have to find other avenues to proceed my search.Here is one.
Colonel John Fairfax Bolling is Family Historian,Pat Rodgers T967505's 9th cousin 6 times removed!
Family Historian,Pat Rodgers T967505
You → John Henry Doster
your father → Martha "Mattie" Doster
his mother → Jane Bowles
her mother → Catharine White Bowles
her mother → Charles Knight Bowles
her father → John Bowles
his father → Sarah Bowles
his mother → Mary 'Elizabeth' Rice
her mother → Elizabeth Claiborne
her mother → John (Boteler) Butler of Littell Birchall IV
her father → John Butler
his father → Mary Butler
his mother → Sir Richard Throckmorton, of Higham Ferrers
her father → Sir Robert Throckmorton, of Coughton
his father → Sir Thomas Throckmorton of Coughton
his father → Elizabeth Russell
his sister → Robert Russell
her son → Sir John Russell, MP
his son → Lady Agnes Jenner
his daughter → Joanna Jenner
her daughter → John Rolfe, of Heacham
her son → Captain John Rolfe, Ancient Planter
his son → Lieut. Thomas Pepsironemeh Rolfe
his son → Jane Bolling
his daughter → Colonel John Fairfax Bolling
her son By all means not direct as yet?

You are my 6th cousin via the Clark and Doster line.

Does your family finder DNA show any Erskine, Mar, or Marr(s) hits....????

Not at this stage .

I am of the mind that this Penelope (Bolling) Clark is the one in the avatar of the Early Settlers of AL book, who does not need the birthdates of the New Kent Penelope (Johnston) Clark of Ulster Plantation who married Capt Christopher Clark. Since there 7 children on the will for this profile, it seems that John as a child should not be there.