Need guidance

Haim - I think you have asked an important question about ALL of the camp projects.

We know factually that there were many transfers of prisoners from one camp to another camp - numbers of prisoners several times ....

So for me, I think it is important to document ALL of the events in each individual's experience. So I vote to include ANY individual that passed through a respective camp - hopefully to have survived on the other side.

RGS

Haim, this is a tricky one. But personally I think you should only enter into the project those that actually died in the camp. If they survived but died after the war it's more accurate to enter them into the "Victims of Nazi Oppression" project.
Any specifics about a duration in a camp can be entered in the "About" section on a person's page.
I have noticed some profiles get listed in 3 or 4 camp projects, which might be accurate in a sense, but ultimately misleading.
I would hate for a Holocaust denier to use Geni as an example of inflated statistics.
SG

I asked a curator and he answered me to put them all
For example, my grandfather, my father, and his brother were taken from the Lodz ghetto to Auschwitz, where my grandfather was taken to the crematoria, my father and his brother survived, and were taken to a labor camp,I have no idea if they were transported on the way to different places, my father told very little about the war / Holocaust,

simon,
As I wrote up, kevin told me to write them all, you tell me something else, now I'm more confused, I think that jeni should make a decision on this matter

I think you should include all.

In my opinion, a comprehensive decision should be made by jeni

I would say all those that we there.

As I wrote above, in my opinion jeni need to make a general decision, and let all of us know what to do

By the way lydia,you and I are relatives, but quite far away

I think it is important historically to include individuals in projects for all the camps through whose portals they passed, whether or not they emerged alive.

judith, you are a curator, I do not, in my opinion you need to make a general and agreed decision about all of you, and guide us how to act. Since the situation at this moment is that every curator says something different

I agree with Judith and others that all prisoners of Auschwitz should be included in the project. Their fates, whether survival or subsequent deportation, can be noted in each person's life statistics or comment section. Most of the Czech cousins of my great-grandparents, grandparents, and mother died there, very few re-deported, but at least one was liberated and just died a few years ago; I include them all.

Geni has almost 35,000 projects, so I don't know that the company would administer any one of them directly.

It's a good question, Haim; as you can see, there are differing opinions – as in all things in life!

I do not know the hierarchy in jeni, is there no CEO who sets policy?

My father survived by working as labour in Bergen Belsen whilst the rest of his family perished at Auschwitz. I agree with Rick Gary Simon; We know factually that there were many transfers of prisoners from one camp to another camp - numbers of prisoners several times ....

So for me, I think it is important to document ALL of the events in each individual's experience. So I vote to include ANY individual that passed through a respective camp - hopefully to have survived on the other side.'' David

My grandfather, and my father's cousin, were taken to the crematoria. My father, his brother, and another cousin were also taken to Bergen-Belsen.
I also think like you, but there is a dispute of the curators in jeni, in the absence of a comprehensive and complete decision in jeni each of us will do what seems right to him..
Because the subject is very important to me, and I take it very seriously, I suggested yesterday that jeni make an agreed decision and let us know what we should do.

Haim - while I appreciate the agreement from David, I completely disagree with your proposal. Regardless of anyone's "ruling," it will NOT change the experiences of those that endured the shoah. If someone went to 2 or 3 different universities - we would certainly list ALL of them. This is NO difference. The camps is NOT necessarily where they died - but where they experienced a piece of their life. We have a defined space for where they died. So what you are saying is if they did NOT die in a camp, we would not include it.

NO! NO! NO!

rick,
Because I take this project very seriously, and the commemoration of my relatives who died in the Holocaust, to me is a sacred thing, in the absence of explicit instructions from jeni I stopped with this project. Otherwise each of us will do as he see it, and it is in my eyes, wrong. I do not know the hierarchy in jeni but I believe that those who need to make decisions need to know about this discussion, and because of its great importance for future generations, they will come up with an agreed decision and guide us

why not divide it in two under the same umbrella.
those who perished and those who survived

this discussion is relevant to all the death camps, not only to Auschwitz-Birkenau, how can you divide into two lists?, It is possible to attach a certain person to a parquet or not , there is no possibility to divide into two lists.
The generation of survivors from the inferno in the Holocaust is diminishing from day to day. For example, I have already lost both my parents. The second generation of Holocaust survivors has a duty to remember and not to forget, so I respect and appreciate this project, and since the opinions are divided
Need someone senior in jeni to come and set a uniform rule for all of us,...

Haim - you act as if you are the only one who takes this seriously. My father-in-law (now deceased) was a survivor. In addition, I have in my database over 3733 profiles that our family is connect to who perished in the shoah. So - please - there are plenty of us that take this VERY seriously !!!!

NONE of the projects of the camps specify that those who have been already included in a project had to have perished there. If we have data about someone being in a camp, then most of the GENI users that I know, have included them in the respective project.

I think you are expecting too much from GENI. The projects are for GENI users to help improve our genealogy work. More importantly, GENI is a collaborative site where we are expected to work TOGETHER. Your demand for "instruction from on high" would be totally counter productive to that concept.

So - maybe you can try and take yourself a little less seriously.

RGS

richard,
I opened this discussion with an innocent question and I was convinced that I would get a clear answer. That is how, to my surprise, this led to a great disagreement between the people and the curators of jeni . When I take upon myself a task, I take it very seriously.
Especially when it comes to the Holocaust, and I have a personal connection to the Holocaust and not only through my father-in-law, I am the first generation of Holocaust survivors.
When most of my huge family was murdered in the Holocaust, and I did not get to know any grandmother or grandfather.
And please pay careful attention to what I wrote: I did not write that I was demanding explanations, but wrote that because of the dispute, I would like to be guided. There is a big difference between what I wrote and what you think you understand me
It is very easy to sit in the distance without really knowing me at all, and to think that you know me, my character, and who I am......

This is an interesting discussion. On the one hand it is important to maintain a distinction between those who were murdered and those who were not.
On the other hand if this is all we do we are going to lose a lot of important information.
Example: I have a first cousin once removed, who is listed at USHMM as
"survivor, -Buchenwald."
By reaching out to and making contact with his descendants what I learned is that ,he actually spent 3 years in one of the labor camps at Auschwitz, was transported to Buchenwald at the end of the war, and died, of illness and fatigue, while trying to walk home to České Budějovice after the liberation.
I am sure there are many stories like this but I am not sure if I would choose to list this person as a survivor.
There need be room in our categories to remember stories like this .

Hi,
Projects and what gets included is a decision for the person who created the project rather than by Geni management or curators. Usually the scope of the project is outlined within the overview of the project.

This project was created by Randy Schoenberg on 30/3/2012

These profile were some of the first profiles added to the project
* https://www.geni.com/people/Elie-Wiesel-Nobel-Peace-Prize-
1986/6000000002431535109 - a survivor of Auschwitz.
* Imre Kertész, Nobel Prize in Literature 2002 - transferred from Auschwitz to Buchenwald

From that it looks like the intent was to include those who died in Auschwitz, those that were transferred to other camps and those that were freed directly from Auschwitz.