Rev. (Ds) Diederik Johannes Opperman, b1c1d5 - How do we know that he was a dominee?

Started by Dirk Laurie on Saturday, August 18, 2018
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8/18/2018 at 6:19 AM

Who put that title in and why?

His Death Notice says "Farmer". His wife's Death Notice says "Farmer's Wife". Is there any evidence whatsoever that he was a minster of religion? Or is this just rumour elevated to legend? Copied-and-pasted from some "contributed tree" on another site perhaps?

There is some pretty strong indirect evidence against it. His ggggrandson and namesake was the famous Afrikaans poet D J Opperman. The exhaustive biography of the poet by J C Kannemeyer (who errs on the side of prolixity) says nothing about it. The autobiographical volume of poetry "Komas uit 'n bamboesstok" which touches on other quirks in the ancestry of DJO VI, would scarcely have failed to explot such a precious irony.

Is there any assertion about when, where and in what denomination, that we can check?

I dont like the way you adress the isue. Maybe you know something about poetry writers and so on but it seems to me that you havnt heard about SAG. (I am not going to tell you wahat it is) For those who knows about SAG please read about the issue in SAG page 190 b1c1d5.
You can be a Ds. Rev and a farmer at the same time. Or you can be a retired Ds who is farming. Thousands of explinations.
The beloved Apostel Paul was a misionary and a tent maker.

For general knowledge for those who are beginners or old hands in Geni who doesnt know how to look for a culprit on a profile , here is a hint. ; Click on Revissions and then again click on view.
I could have explained that me and Diederik study the same time at Leiden University, he passed and I failed.

8/18/2018 at 3:14 PM

I do know about SAG.  it was compiled by people like you and me except that they did not have FamilySearch etc. There are mistakes. They are honest mistakes, Nobody deliberately tells a lie, But some of the material was told to her son-in-law by Aunt Ettie, amazingly lucid considering she is pushiing ninety, and there was no one else still alive to say she was confusing two different people, and that son-in-law told it to the person who was preparing a SAG page, and there it is in print.

The SAG page on my family, for example, contains several serious errors, despite being credited to Malherbe no less. It simply was not possible for Malherbe to check information supplied by a family member. It now is possible, and it is our duty to do it.

All I am saying is that since two death notices (which are original documents with legal status) say that the first DJO was a farmer, one needs more than an unsupprted assertion in a secondary source before accepting something else.

If you tell me he was minister of the Reformed Chuirch in Burgersdorp from 1815 to 1822, I'll take your word for it for now, but I'll still go and check. If your only source is SAG, that;'s not good enough for me.

Dirk, As jy beter bewyse kry as dit wat ek verstrek het. Goed dan verander ons die titel. Tot dan volstaan ons by dit wat ek daar gemeld het.

8/19/2018 at 2:12 PM

Die maklikste manier om seker te maak sou wees om in die 1967 NG Kerkjaarboek te gaan kyk (dit het 'n volledige lys predikante vir die 300 jaar), maar ek het nie een nie.

'n Mens kan egter met net wat op Geni self is, uitwerk dat hy heeltyd op Rietfontein, Tarka, gewoon het, Daar is geen ruimte vir ses jaar se teologiese studie in Nederland nie.

Maak sy Timeline oop. Hy trou in 1802 op 19, elke jaar of twee is daar 'n kindjie by tot 1816, vir oulaas nog een in 1826. Almal behalwe die laatlammetjie word gedoop in Graaff-Reinet (Cradock het eers in 1817 'n aparte doopregister begin hou en eers in 1823 'n eie gemeente gekry).

Maak nou 'n Descendant List. Vanaf 1820 begin die kleinkinders aankom. Oupa en Ouma word vernoem, en is heeltyd daar as die baba gedoop word, bv https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKD-2QWM-5 en vele ander.

8/25/2018 at 1:29 AM

Daar is deesdae 'n Digitale Gemeente-Argief met die geskiedenis, insluitend 'n lys predikante, van elke gemeente, by:
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za

'n Soektog op "Opperman" lewer niks op nie. As 'n mens egter 'n van soos "Hofmeyr" intik, is daar talle treffers.

Dit kan natuurlik wees dat die spesifieke gemeente waar ons moes kyk, nog nie op die Argief is nie. Ek het dus die Oos-Kaapse gemeentes wat gestig is voor 1843 (toe die eerste D J Opperman 60 was) een vir een gaan soek.Op daardie stadium was daar nog nie susterskerke nie.

Die lys van gemeentes, in volgorde van stigting, is op:
https://www.geni.com/projects/Suid-Afrikaanse-Gemeenskap-vanaf-1652...
981.

Die eerste paar predikante in elk van dié gemeentes was soos volg:

6. Graaff-Reinet
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/13/ng-gemeente-graaff-...
Johan Heinrich von Manger, 1792–1798
H.W. Ballot, 1798–1800
Johannes Jacobus Kicherer, 1806–1815
Johannes A. Schütz, 1813–1818
Abraham Faure, 1818–1822
Andrew Murray sr., 1822–1865 (emeriteer; oorlede op 24 Junie 1866)

10. Uitenhage
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/13/ng-gemeente-uitenhage/
Cornelis Mol, 1817 – 1823
Alexander Smith, 1823 – 1863 (na wie Alexandria genoem is; oorlede op 13 Augustus 1864)

11. Cradock
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/15/ng-gemeente-cradock/
John Evans, 1818–1823
John Taylor, 1824 – 21 Mei 1860 (oorlede in die amp)

15. Somerset-Oos
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/16/ng-gemeente-somerse...
George Morgan, 1826–1841, waarna Skotse gemeente in Kaapstad (waarskynlik Presbiteriaanse gemeente St. Andrew)
John Pears, 1841 – 18 Junie 1866 (oorlede in die amp)

16. Colesberg
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/16/ng-gemeente-colesberg/
Thomas Reid, 1836 – 1854 (emeriteer; oorlede op 28 Februarie 1863)

19.Glen Lynden
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/17/ng-gemeente-glen-ly...
John Pears, 1829 – 1830
Alexander Welsh, 1833 – Julie 1856 (oorlede in die amp)

21. Albanie
http://www.gemeentegeskiedenis.co.za/2018/04/18/ng-gemeente-albanie/
John Pears, leraar van 1839–1841
Adrian Roux, leraar van 1842–1882 (emeriteer; oorlede op 29 Maart 1884)

Geen Opperman tussen hulle nie.

Ek dink dit is 'n beter bewys as die woord "predikant" in SAG.

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