Margaret Cornell Yate - Inconsistencies

Maybe the problem is that she's not a Cornell, but a Cornwall of Standlake. See Visitations of Oxford, p. 158.

When in doubt, follow the land records.

"An estate centred on Standlake Manor, a house on the south side of High Street so called from c. 1860, (fn. 5) was built up from the later Middle Ages by the Cornewell or Cornwall family and by their successors the Yates, following the marriage before 1487 of Margaret, daughter and heir of John Cornwall (fl. 1480), to Edmund Yate (d. c. 1516) of Charney Bassett in Longworth (then Berks.). Edmund Yate's estate, not all of it derived from the Cornwalls, descended to John (d. 1545), Robert (d. 1554), James (d. 1608), and Francis Yate (fl. 1613); (fn. 6) he or another Francis sold it in 1647 to Richard Hyde (d. 1665), gentleman..."

"The house's timber-framed main range, aligned along the street, is of the 15th century, and was built perhaps by John Cornwall. "

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/oxon/vol13/pp183-185

Even at that, the tree is messed up. Edmund who m. Margaret Cornwall should be son of Richard and father of John, Symon and Leonard. (And he should have a younger brother John, and sisters Margaret and Maude.)

Looks like somebody got grandfather Edmond mixed up with grandson Edmund, skewing dates all over the place.

This is probably Edmund m. Margaret Cornwall, with his birth date hashed and robbed of all his children: Edmond Yate

According to both Oxford and Berkshire, William (Gate) Yate, of Charney was the first identified member of this family, and his wife was *unknown* (i.e. she wasn't Margaret Cornwall!).

"Sources" for "John Attayate" as his "father" are paywalled.

I don't know this at all. Came up on medieval duplicates. Let me know when you need my tools to help.

https://books.google.com/books?id=6PtAktzLKeAC&lpg=PA59&ots...

The Berkeley Manuscripts: The Lives of the Berkeleys, Lords of the ..., Volume 3
By John Smyth

Margaret the ffowerth and yongest daughter was maryed to John atte Yate, an ancient gent dwellinge in Arlingham, who dyed in 36. E. 3. And after his death shee was remaryed first to Richard Aston, and after to Richard Staverton, but had noe issue by either of them: And after dyed as I conceive in the time of kinge Richard the second, leavinge issue John Atte Yate, who dyed about the ffifteenth of kinge Henry the fixt, leavinge issue William Yate, (Atte lest out of the name,) who was in ward to Richard Beauchampe Earle of Warwicke for a messuage and a Carucate of land in Arlingham, the old inheritance os his Ancestors, holden of that 'manor by knights service, which the said Earle then held as tenant by the curtesy of England, after the death of Elizabeth his first wife, daughter and sole heire to Thomas lord Berkeley, who about the end of kinge Henry the fourth had gotten into the possession of Westmancotes part of this manor.

Yate database

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=6958&id=I...

The Yate home was at Charney Manor from 1332. Some of those to live there were William, his son Edmund, and grandson Richard. Adjacent to it is St. Peter's Church, Charney Bassett, Berkshire, ENG, built in the 12th century to replace an earlier Saxon structure.

Hunt, J.G. English Ancestry of George Yate of Maryland.

Vistation of Berkshire, 1566.

http://www.yateshistory.net/filestore.php?action=dnld&id=18

Looks decent

Ran a check against the Visitations of Berkshire (Buckland and Lyford branches) and Oxford (Standlake, Witney and Bendlett branches). Insofar as they are correct (never a certainty), they're now OK down to about 1620 or so (added the Buckland Baronets from Cracroft).

Exactly *how* George Yate was "cousin" to Jerome White is still not entirely clear. He was so referred to *before* he married Mary Wells, so it's not *that* connection. There seem to be a couple of marriages that would make him a relatively distant cousin.

Yateshistory.net doesn't quite match Visitations, dates are WAGs, etc. Primary interest of the compiler seems to have been a Spencer-Churchill connection (i.e. Princess Diana). Also they believe in Tudor-Jacobean era middle names, har de har har.

As to the Berkeley "connnection", Arlingham is in Gloucestershire. Not Berkshire. I didn't think the dates looked right anyway.

This is probably one of those damnable coincidences that allow meddlers like Emma Siggins White, or irresponsible fools, to muck things up.

Ran as thorough a double-check as I could. The Gloucestershire Yates are NOT the Berkshire Yates.

Two wives for John Yate, Lord of Charney & Lyford

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Yes, two wives. It's all there in the Visitations. Philoprogenitive little son, wasn't he!

The Lyford line was explicitly derived from a son of the second wife (Thomas Yate). Visitations don't give his wife's name; on the other hand a Frances White of the Swanbourne line *did* marry a somebody Yate.

On the third hand, that's the line that went White to Tichbourne to Yate, so who knows....

Philoprogenitive is my word for the day :-)