Making ancestor profiles public?

Started by Private User on Tuesday, July 31, 2018
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Private User
7/31/2018 at 10:33 AM

Hi,

Thank you all for the research you've done—I'm extremely grateful for it. I'm not sure how active this group is, but wanted to pose a question just in case: Might it be possible to make the ancestral Persitz profiles public? Many (all?) of them, from my great great grandfather's generation onwards, are currently visible only to the profiles' managers and the managers' "family groups." This cuts off opportunities for collaborative research and prevents even Persitz descendants from accessing the information. (I was unable to view most of the ancestral profiles, for example, until a "family group" setting changed.) I understand that it's always necessary to balance openness with privacy, but my sense in this case is that the benefits to making the profiles public would outweigh any downsides. I'd be grateful to know your thoughts.

Many thanks,
Andrew Kahn

Private User
8/27/2018 at 2:12 AM

That's a good idea !

Private User, Private User, Racheli Edelman - what do you think ? We'll need your assistance on this matter.

Private User
8/27/2018 at 5:14 AM

Dear Leon,

I fully understand you on this matter.

BUT, unfortunately, I am absolutely against this idea of making public any profiles which are based on my own research, and these are nearly all profiles of 6 and more generations ago. I have published some parts of the results of my research here on geni, only on condition, that all this information would remain accessible to our family ONLY and under no circumstances would be made public !

I am afraid, that when any further attempts will continue, ignoring this warning, to make any of these profiles public, I will be forced to delete from the geni everything, that I ever contribulted to our family tree.

Best regards,
Yury David Persits

Private User
8/29/2018 at 2:24 AM

Is it possible to get access to your research to understand what were the sources and the logic that led you to connect the very old persons to the tree?

Private User
8/29/2018 at 2:34 PM

Dear Leon,

I've been trying to put this informaton into a book form.
Until the completion of this project I do not want to disclose my sources.
Some of the sources are from a very old family archive which came into my posession, some are based on the documents which I inhereted from my grandfather Persitz, and the rest is in historical archives of several countries, plus the logical reasoning to connect all the dots ...

Best regards,
Y.D.P.

This is preposterous. In no way did we agree to make our family tree public when we signed up. Even though nothing is private on the internet.

Private User
9/3/2018 at 5:52 AM

Inna Федоровна Persits-Gimelberg please define "our family". Do you want to make a profile private for the person who lived 800 years ago ?

Private User
9/5/2018 at 10:38 PM

In balancing privacy and helping with research and collaboration, is it somehow possible to allow certain members who have conducted a lot of research and added valuable information to this family tree access to larger portions of it?
The term public refers to visibility for everyone.
How about semi-private allowing access to only a certain group of people?
I have personally (as well as all of you) conducted a large amount of personal research and do want to be able to collaborate further. It would be much easier if larger portions of our research was made more accessible.

Private User
9/6/2018 at 5:54 AM

Yes, it is a very good idea - a "semi-private" mode with a rigid access rights control, which are granted to some well defined user groups, the mode which would NEVER be allowed to degenerate into some other backdoor version of a defacto public mode - yes, it would be a great balance of privacy and collaboration! I agree.
BUT, unfortunately, I highly doubt, if such a mode is really implemented in the geni platform ... So, in absence of such an option, there seems to be currently no other alternative to our good, old-fasioned, time-proved and reliable PRIVATE MODE.

Maybe the last 200 years for 4 generators

Private User
11/12/2018 at 2:00 PM

I've just logged in and am glad to see that this conversation progressed. My interest in discussing this carefully and hearing everyone's thoughts remains the same as in my first post.

To Inna Федоровна Persits-Gimelberg's point about what we all signed up for, we signed up for a collaborative social genealogy site, and the only reason I'm in touch with any of you is thanks to profiles that were (and remain) public. So I think it's false to say that we "in no way" agreed to this. There are many other fully private genealogy sites, like Ancestry.com and MyHeritage.com.

In any case, I suddenly got access to many of the ancestral profiles when I added someone or other—don't remember whom—to my "Family Group." That helped with the problem of my own access but I think the question of making profiles public for ease of collaboration is still worth talking about.

I'm extremely grateful to Yuri David for his work and equally puzzled by his unwillingness to share it in detail with this small group of researchers. I share Leon's curiosity to know how Yuri David pieced together the current Geni tree, particularly the Sephardic links. Unless he uncovered an international spy ring, it's difficult for me to imagine any real risks to disclosing hundred- and in some cases thousand-year-old documents.

To Yuri David: No "attempts" have been made to change any privacy settings; I have just initiated a discussion, which we are having. There's no need to make weird threats, and I have the tree backed up anyway.

Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to the tree.

Best regards to all,
Andrew

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