Joan GREMONT WEINER - DNA Testing

No, not that I know of.

Pity. Do you think anyone in the blood line might be interested in taking a test? Ancestry is my preference because it can be transferred to FTDNA and from there to MyHeritage and Geni as well as gedmatch. So gets matches in 5 pools of testers. Ancestry does not accept copies of data in.

My nephew may be interested.
Is it a saliva test and what is the cost?
Joan

Ooh, that would be great.

Yes its saliva. Cost varies between companies and whether there is an offer on and postage fee to his area. I must admit its not cheap. Best part of $100 but its a pretty special thing to have and vital in my opinion for proving early relationships in our Jewish community where records are so patchy or for linking any migrated family to the old land.

Ancestry is my preferred testing site because you get a large matching pool there. Then you can transfer the result to FTDNA with another pool of matches and from there to Geni where it is attached to the tree and confirms it or finds new matches that should link in.

https://www.ancestry.com/dna/

Or test direct with FTDNA
https://www.familytreedna.com/
We only need the basic autosomal (family finder) test. But if he gets interested and can pay more then Y and mt will trace the direct father and mother lines back for matches of haplogroup.

Then transfer to Geni which is very easy
https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229707687-How-do-I-link-Fam...

As well as matches, Ancestry & FTDNA will give reports, charts and maps of where his ancestors were from in the world. So that gives you extra clues for searching back further.

Hope he agrees to go ahead. Happy to help with any more advice.

Did your nephew go ahead with DNA testing to check our Pogremonski link?

I don’t believe so. I sent him the information but never heard back.
Sorry!

Oh that's a disappointment. But thank you for trying.

FTDNA is a cheek swab test, which some will do who are turned off by spitting.

Also, Ancestry is no longer fully compatible with FTDNA.
23andMe is no longer compatible at all with FTDNA.

FTDNA, MyHeritage, and many other sites are currently having sales - should be well under $100 - i($59+12.95 for FamilyFinder thru FTDNA) -- if you really want somebody to test, you should (if you can swing it) offer to order and pay for the test for them.

I am a little confused. My son is interested in taking the test. So should he do the saliva test through Ancestry? Will that be the most comprehensive?

My view - no, he should wait for the Holiday Sale, then at FTDNA do the FamilyFinder Test (their name for their autosomal test). Or if he doesn't care about maybe saving $10-20, go ahead and do it now.

Ancestry probably still has the largest Database of users, if that is what you mean by "the most comprehensive" -- but it does not have a Chromosome Browser, so he cannot do any analysis of the DNA between himself and his matches there.

Also - If he tests at FTDNA, he can, if he is interested, at some point upgrade that test to add YDNA testing -- and/or MtDNA testing, tho that is unlikely to be genealogically useful -- Ancestry ONLY has an autosomal test - and, as I mentioned - no Chromosome Browser. So as I think of the term, it is not "the most comprehensive"

If what one wants to do is test at one site, then Transfer the results to lots of other sites, that is a different question.
FTDNA does seem to say it is now able to accept the results from Ancestry's current version of their test - however, the two tests are not particularly compatible, so you can just see the closer matches at FTDNA if you go test at Ancestry and transfer/upload the ancestry results to FTDNA. And not sure, but think for GedMatch, you cannot go the "normal" route with Ancestry results, know you can go the normal route if you have results from Testing at FTDNA.

If you want any results at all at Ancestry, the only way to go is to test there - they do not accept any transfers/uploads. FTDNA, MyHeritage, and GedMatch do accept transfers/uploads. Geni connects to results at FTDNA - whether it is from Testing at FTDNA or from transferring/uploading results there.

Joan that is wonderful news that you have a male Gremont willing to DNA test.

Lois is quite right in her assessments of the pros and cons of Ancestry v. FTDNA. However I have found that Ancestry is accepted into the main Gedmatch, whereas 23andMe has to go into its new version Genesis.

Although Ancestry does not include a chromosome browser, when its output is transferred to FTDNA or Gedmatch then you do get a CB - a chart of matching segments on each chromosome.

To do the task that I am interested in, of checking whether the tree found online that takes your Gremont line back to a common ancestor with my Pogremonski line is correct, it would help me to have the test done in Ancestry. That is because by far the greatest number of known relatives have tested there. A few other known relatives can be checked against by copying your Ancestry result to FTDNA, MyHeritage & Geni. Which I can guide you through.

MyHeritage has recently improved vastly and now accepts transfers from all the main testers including 23andMe & LivingDNA. But I would not test with them because you cannot take that into Ancestry.

The more known relatives we can check your son against the more likely we are to find a match. With our shared ancestor being so far back, quite a few of us may no longer have the same segments of inherited DNA, even if we are related. By the same token, if very few match it could be spurious. So the higher number of matches we get the greater the certainty.

I wonder if, with the particular advantage of Ancestry in this case, Lois would agree its the way to go.

Sally - in Spring of 2016, Ancestry changed its test. Last I heard it was no longer compatible enough with FTDNA to find those distant relatives you want to be finding.

Moreover, Chromosome Browser is not free with a Transfer into FTDNA --
"After transferring, you can unlock all Family Finder features, which include the Chromosome Browser, myOrigins, and ancientOrigins for only $19." - It is free if you buy a test at FTDNA - and so subtract $19 from sale price to see how much more you have to pay if you just order the test instead of transferring and unlocking.

My recommendation would be - wait for the holiday sale at Ancestry and FTDNA - and do the Test at both places. If you can only afford to do the test at one of them this year, no idea which would best suit your project needs.

Definitely for MyHeritage - transfer results from one or the other, do not test there - for reasons that are incomprehensible to me, if you transfer results to MyHeritage, you can contact matches for free, see your Ethnic results free, use chromosome browser free, etc.. -- whereas if you test at MyHeritage you apparently need (or may need) a paid account for some of their features (and paid accounts need to be renewed yearly)

Possibly of interest: https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart
and
https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_SNP_comparison_chart

Wondered if your family have taken advantage of the current holiday price $49 on AncestryDNA?

Reading back on this discussion, I realise I have not made the case clear enough for using AncestryDNA rather than FTDNA to prove/disprove my Coplans and Myerson family's connection to the Gremonts.

All 3 lines (Coplans, Myerson, Gremont) have trees that go back to Pogremonski or variations of that name in Lithuania.

My family's change of names arose when Meyer Pogremonski's sons were orphaned in the 1860s and adopted. Then the older sons emigrated to USA as Myersons and the youngest Michael came to the UK in 1875 and anglicised his adoptive name Koplanski to Coplans. His grandaughter is my mother Susan Townley Atkinson whose DNA is on Geni from AncestryDNA.

In AncestryDNA I manage my Mother's Coplans/Pogremonski test and have identified tests for 6 other definite Myerson/Pogremonskis on my tree who I am in touch with.

In FTDNA I only have 1 test done there for Coplans/Pogremonski (my mother's 1st cousin John) and not found any matches linked to my tree.

The point made by Lois that AncestryDNA results transferred to FTDNA do not provide good quality matching because the two companies do not analyse exactly the same parts of the DNA is valid. However, I would only be recommending that transfer on the chance that you find extra matches. Same applies to putting the Gremont DNA into Geni. However, Ancestry has a much bigger pool of testers than FTDNA. So there is still more chance of a match on Geni.

Gedmatch & Genesis rely on matching transfers from many different testing sites and work well enough for many genealogists to find it worth the effort.

Remember, FTDNA tests cannot be transferred to Ancestry. They do not accept any other company's tests. MyHeritageDNA cannot be transferred to Geni but Ancestry & FTDNA can.

So, back to clarifying my main point, the primary matching I am asking you to do for us specifically, HAS to be within AncestryDNA itself against the 7 Pogremonski descendant tests I know are there.

If you didnt catch the recent ancestrydna $49 offer it is now at $59 on amazon.com with no postage charge:
https://www.amazon.com/AncestryDNA-Genetic-Testing/dp/B00TRLVKW0/re...

Or there is an upgrade version adding traits at $69:
https://www.amazon.com/AncestryDNA-Genetic-Testing-Ethnicity-Traits...

Correction Geni only accepts transfer from FTDNA.
So the AncestryDNA test has to go into FTDNA first.
Which along the way gives you that extra matching possibility in FTDNA.
Then the DNA is much more useful when attached to the tree in Geni.

But I emphasise, all 7 Pogremonski DNA matches are only in AncestryDNA, so we need to start there.

The process is not difficult and I am happy to guide you through.

Sally (ATKINSON) MORTON - sounds like you want suspected relatives in those lines to test at Ancestry for basically the same reason I want my suspected relatives to test at FTDNA - because that's where there is a large base of relevant folks who have tested, and whose results either you (at Ancestry) /I (at FTDNA) manage or the managers will share info.

What I don't understand - at FTDNA there is a Chromosome Browser, so I can look at several relatives who I know are on branch X, and see if they not only also share DNA with Joe Blow (for example) - but are there segments of theirs and Joe Blow which all line up neatly on my Kit (or someone's), showing they are matching from a common ancestor . -- on Ancestry, you have the Trees which might or might not be accurate - but how does the DNA itself actually help you determine that the matches are thru a specific ancestor / along a specific branch ?
(In other words, part of what I am trying to find out is how can I better use the DNA results at Ancestry)

On AncestryDNA I am fortunate that all 7 of the Coplans/Myerson/Pogremonsky tests are for 2nd cousins once or twice removed from my mother and either they or their parents/grandparents were already on my tree. So the tree links are reliable. If a Gremont test matches some or all, then I have my proof that the tree on Geni linking us is correct.

The new auto-cluster tool from Genetic Affairs http://www.theintrepidsleuth.com/wp/genetic-affairs-autocluster-how... helps to separate out my matches for Pogremonski from my other main block for Press. It works using ancestrydna data without having to be manager for the other tests or taking the dna, just using factors in the shared matching to my mother. I suggest you try it to see if that makes AncestryDNA more useful to you.

Yes it would be nice to take the ancestry data to the next level and see which chromosome segments identify as Pogremonsky. But so far matching has been effective enough without.

However, for the other sites where I have tests I manage that do offer a chromosome browser, then I am indeed using various techniques to map which segments are common to a family/surname.

www.dnapainter.com is proving wonderful for combining that segment data from several testing sites to separate out the female lines in my huge Lithuanian Ashkenazi Press group. I am on a different hunt there to find the MRCA with an estimated 3rd cousin and hopefully prove my hunch about who it is.

Joan, wondering if any of the Gremont blood line have tested DNA at Ancestry.com yet? Not aware of spotting any such matches. The most valuable to test are the oldest generation available as that gives the stronger chance of match to distant relatives. I am happy to pay for the test somehow.