Henry II "Curtmantle", king of England - Henry II "Curtmantle", king of England is my 24th great grandfather.

Henri II "Curtmantle", roi d'Angleterre is your 26th great grandfather.
You
→ Frances Mary (Dymock) CHRISTOPHE
your mother → Peter Mervyn DYMOCK
her father → Jasper Thomas DYMOCK
his father → Thomas DYMOCK/ DYMOKE
his father → John DYMOCK
his father → John William DYMOCK
his father → Edward DYMOCK
his father → Edward DYMOCK
his father → John DYMOCK OF WHITCHURCH, SALOP
his father → William DYMOCK/ DYMOKE
his father → Edward DYMOCK
his father → Edward DYMOCK OF PENLEY
his father → William DYMOCK
his father → Edward (ap Randle) DYMOCK, of Willington & Penley
his father → Randle (ap Thomas) DYMOCK
his father → Annes (verch Randle) BRERETON
his mother → Randle BRERETON, of Ipstone and Malpas
her father → Alice DE IPSTONE
his mother → William DE IPSTONE
her father → Elizabeth (Corbet) IPSTONES
his mother → Thomas CORBET, Esquire
her father → Elizabeth STRANGE
his mother → Eleanor GIFFARD
her mother → Maud de Clifford
her mother → Margred VERCH LLEWELYN
her mother → Joan - PLANTAGENET, Lady Snowdon
her mother → Jean I 'sans Terre', roi d'Angleterre
her father → Henri II "Curtmantle", roi d'Angleterre
his father

https://www.geni.com/path/Colin-Campbell+is+related+to+Henry-II-Cur...

Hello hello! I do not understand what this discussion is about... Thank you for your reply. Kind regards, Loreto Vargas

Mine too, through Eleanor of Castille, his daughter. What's the purpose of this chat?

Don't believe it just because it's on Geni. Research the line - without evidence linking two parents to a child for each link in the chain from credible sources (i.e.: not MyHeritage user trees) it is just there because someone 'clicked' it so. I have debunked multiple royal ancestral lines on my family tree that were due to childish idiots deliberately linking people together without credible evidence just so that they could tell their friends that they are descended from royalty.

Very obviously, there are credible sources for some of us and if the dymock blood works foe karherine middleton AND meghan markle, since we have the same ancestors...
Plus on my side, it's a straight patriarcal line from my grandad up to all dymocks of penley and before. So what's the problem ? Some of us ancient families were already there when the romans invaded.

Plus the dymock dna project shows that. West of England dymocls spelt dymock have tje sale dna as william the conqueror and are visibly cousins somewhere to pharaoh thutankhamon. Igenea soirces for the official search of descendants

I could also copy paste the mail exchange I've had with hawass...

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Henry II "Curtmantle", king of England is your 23rd great grandfather.
You
→ Annette Marie Thornton
your mother → Lorraine Ora Simpson
her mother → Merle Marion Mitchell
her mother → Alexander Alvin Bigelow
her father → Levi Bigelow
his father → Noah Bigelow, Jr.
his father → Sgt. Noah Bigelow
his father → Cornelius Bigelow
his father → Samuel Bigelow
his father → Mary Bigelow
his mother → Thomas Flagg
her father → Nazareth Elizabeth Flegg
his mother → Sir Edward Devereux, MP, 1st Baronet of Castle Bromwich
her father → Sir Walter Devereux, KG, 1st Viscount Hereford, 9th Baron Ferrers of Chartley
his father → Cecily Devereux, Baroness Ferrer
his mother → William Bourchier, Viscount Bourchier
her father → Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex
his father → Anne of Gloucester, Countess of Stafford
his mother → Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester
her father → Edward III of England
his father → Edward II of England
his father → Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
his father → Henry III of England
his father → John Lackland, King of England
his father → Henry II "Curtmantle", king of England

When I came to this discussion, I figured she wanted to start a discussion where we show our lineage to him, not necessarily to boast, maybe just to compare, because none of us are going to have the exact same path to the same ancestor. I did not realize there was a debate about authenticity of lines and ego going on here. I posted my path to him, but now I'm not sure I want to be a part of this discussion. Here's one thing to consider, Dieter, and that is that nearly everyone on the planet is related to royalty along some branch of their family tree. The population was smaller in historical times and has branched out as generations have expanded the total population on earth. It's not so unbelievable that many of us are related to Henry II that you have to cast aspersions on the correctness of her line or her claim. Just saying.

Christy you are making as many assumptions as much as you are stating the obvious. The amount of people related to royalty has no relation to the actual SPECIFIC lineages posted in this discussion. I never accused anyone of boasting, although it is clear that there are some people here who get butt-hurt if you DARE question their 'royalty', which is laughable. I simply advised that people check their lineages, as many of the connections on Geni are based on dodgy evidence, and the boastful people connected to them are usually too lazy to check the lineage thoroughly if at all, and only too willing to accept questionable sources as evidence as long as it affirms what they want to believe.

And what are you on about with regards to "I did not realize there was a debate about authenticity of lines and ego going on here. I posted my path to him, but now I'm not sure I want to be a part of this discussion." You had to have read the previous replies before posting, and you were never part of this discussion anyway. If you are not sure you want to be part of the discussion then why did you participate in it in the first place?

It's not a question of criticizing someone's royalty. It's a matter of how some people constantly denigrate old families so their eventual royalty is swept under the rug and I believe in order to legitimize the actual family.

And all I'm saying is, their blood is not my problem.

But it would still be interesting to know why the Cabinet proposed Tudor to the Windsors ?

Let me recall you all a little story. It happened 25 years ago.

I called Windsor library. I was doing some research on the Dymocks.
I got through to an a very posh speaking lady who answered ( and to this say, it still feels insulting) :

" Dymocks ? Ooow, Dymocks ? They weren't peers. They kept pigs"

Well, keeping pigs was by far more noble than horse thieves and along our “royal” ancestry I’m sure most of us had some black sheep in the families.

Yes Graciela.

Most people had animals to keep then.

It's just how it was said.
And yes, we all have black sheeps. More than one often.
Our lineages are made of people who fought wars, who killed their own blood for power, some were right deviants or mad even.
And since our ancestors married within a same social group, it doesnt make things any better.
Which is why it annoyed me to be insulted.

https://www.geni.com/path/Colin-Campbell+is+related+to+Henry-II-Cur...

@Szabo Dr.Ilona

Henry II "Curtmantle", king of England is your 23rd great grandfather.
You
→ Emil Mezei
your father → Valéria Emilia Voxith Horváth, zalukai
his mother → Kálmán Vince Oszkár Voxith Horváth, zalukai
her father → nedeczey, Ruttkay Rozália
his mother → Amália Klára Szmrecsányi
her mother → András Szmrecsányi
her father → Anna Zmeskál
his mother → Mária Osztroluczky
her mother → Judit Justh de Neczpál
her mother → János IV. Justh von Neczpál
her father → Erzsébet Pongrácz de Szentmiklós et Óvár BR
his mother → Anna Majláth de Szunyogszegh
her mother → Ilona - Anna Bánffy, alsólindvai
her mother → Anna Garai Banffy, GR
her mother → Petar II Keglević Buzinski
her father → Simon Šimun Keglevich von Buzin / Keglević Buzinski
his father → Simon (fl. 1436) Šimun II Keglevich von Buzin - Keglević Buzinski
his father → Stjepan / Istvan Perceval
his father → Kegel / Kegal / Xegal /Kegalj Keglevich / Keglević
his father → Peter Šubić*?* or Percal /Prkalj /Perkal
his father → Isabel ►Elizabeth of Sicily, Queen consort of Hungary
his mother → Charles I, King of Sicily
her father → Blanche de Castille, reine consort de France
his mother → Eleanor of England, Queen consort of Castile
her mother → Henry II "Curtmantle", king of England
her father

@Szabo Dr.Ilona

Do you think this is the true basis of this line of origin? I doubt it.

Olaug Marie Wienhe is my 27'th great grandfather.

Jessica Moira Sabine Christophe-Dymock I have just reviewed your line to Henry II and currently 80% of your line have no source documents.

Dieter, from me to my great grandad, i have the records on paper. From my greatgrandad to john and Ann Price, it's all on familysearch and from john to the ipstones/swinnerton, its recorded in england and also in France as i share my tree with some french noble families and my john is in theirs too. Then, the sources for the rest are both in Burke with the lineages for welsh families and in welsh databanks. It seems you have a problem with the dymocks. Our jaws have been the same for centuries. There are genetical traits that don't change. My grandad's bones are copycat to those of a living welsh dymock.

Jessica, I don't care about the Dymocks anymore than I care about you - this is not about you. It is just a surname after all - not everybody gets the same sense of self-importance from being tenously and round-aboutly connected to a royal Monarch as you do. This is about evidence plain and simple, as without it anyone such as yourself can make any claim they like and it will mean nothing. If you care as much about your 'family' as you claim, then do the research and make it available (this should be easy for you as you say there is a lot of it on familysearch.org). If you have those documents past great grandfather/mother I suggest you put it on Geni or risk having the curators cut the line. This is not MyHeritage - on Geni one person's false claim ends up affecting everybody connected to them. Your claim about the "Dymock blood works for karherine middleton AND meghan markle, since we have the same ancestors" is also bogus. Megan Markle's descent from royalty is from Edward III of England, which you are not descended from. I don't see any Dymocks here:

https://media.geni.com/p13/ce/af/3a/d7/534448486f12baec/j1_original...

nor here:

https://media.geni.com/p13/a4/31/b5/93/534448486f0c6f3e/j2_original...

Sharon Doubell

Hello?

Hello, lol. Just tagged you to keep an eye on the above discussion that's all :)

@Szabó Dr. IlonaThe Hungarian registers belonging to the straight family belong to Klára Ammalia Szmrecsányi.

Dieter,

I will post all the middleton links later, geni does go through my fad because katherine's mother is Goldsmith and they are cousins.

As for Meghan

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex is your 16th cousin twice removed.
You
→ Frances Mary (Dymock) CHRISTOPHE
your mother → Peter Mervyn DYMOCK
her father → Jasper Thomas DYMOCK
his father → Thomas DYMOCK
his father → John DYMOCK
his father → John William DYMOCK
his father → Edward DYMOCK
his father → Edward DYMOCK
his father → John DYMOCK OF WHITCHURCH, SALOP
his father → William DYMOCK/ DYMOKE
his father → Edward DYMOCK
his father → Edward DYMOCK OF PENLEY
his father → William DYMOCK
his father → Catrin MOSTYN
his mother → Sir William (ap Thomas) MOSTYN
her father → Jane GRIFFITH
his mother → Jane STRADLING
her mother → Lady Janet MATHEW
her mother → John MATTHEW
her brother → Joan (Matthew) BELL
his daughter → Edward BELL
her son → Margaret (Bell) WHITGIFT
his daughter → Elizabeth (Whitgift) COLES / BRADBURY / GIL
her daughter → Capt. Thomas Bradbury
her son → Jane (Bradbury) TRUE
his daughter → Deacon Jabez TRUE
her son → Sarah (True) MERRILL
his daughter → Jacob MERRILL
her son → David MERRILL
his son → Jacob Lee MERRILL
his son → George David MERRILL
his son → Gertrude May (Merrill) SANDERS
his daughter → Doris May Rita (Sanders) MARKLE
her daughter → Thomas Wayne MARKLE, Sr
her son → Meghan, Duchess of Sussex
his daughter