Capt. J Schaw - What was Quentin Schaw being cautioned about?

1616-1619 By Scotland. Privy Council Page 569

Act of caution presented by the same for registration on behalf of Caution for J ohnne Schaw of Keiris, cautioner for Quintene Schaw of Gremett, Quintene Shaw in Stratoun, George Shaw in Auchingarne, Johnne Shaw

Page 470 of History of the county of Ayr, Volume 2 By James Paterson. “Schaws of Grimmet”

https://books.google.com/books?id=OvEHAAAAQAAJ&lpg=PA470&ot...

SCHAWS OF Gltl.MMET.
This family was a cadet of the Schaws of Halie and Keirs. Part of the lands of Grimmet belonged to the M'llcanes. The first of the Schaws we find mentioned in connection with the property was
Quintin Schaw of Grumct, who had a royal charter of the lands ol Carsilloch and Calloptis, 24th May 1558. He appears to have been succeeded by
Quintin Schaw, who, in a Crown charter of Over-Grymmet, 19th August 1618, is styled "nunc de Grymmet." He was served heir to Quintin Schaw of Grymmet, his great-grandfather, 17th August 1622.

In another charter, to him and his son, John Schaw, of the lands of Dalwyne, &c., 23d April 1623, he is designed "Quintino Schaw, mercatori, apud Straitoun," from which it would appear that he had carried on merchandise at Straiton. His son,

John Schaw of Dalwyne, was served heir to his father, 1st February 1625. He had a Crown charter of the six merk lands of Grimet, 3d December 1628. He was served heir to his father in the lands of Nether Grumet, 28th Aug. 1630. He was succeeded by
Quintin Schaw of Grimmet, who, togethewith the heirs of his late brother, David, is mentioned in the will of " Mr Gavine Stewart, lait minister at Dalmellingtone," who died in November 1646. He was succeeded by

John Schaw of Grimmet, whose name occurs as a witness to the latterwill of Mr Robert Spreule, minister at Dalrymple in 1660.

http://www.maybole.org/history/surnames/macilvean/of_carrick.htm

THE MACILVEANS OF CARRICK

To go back to John MacIlvean, styled Laird of Grimmett, but resident at Thomaston, who as a young man had been wounded at Ladycorse in 1601 - he lived a long and eventful life not dying until 1668. After Anna died, his second wife was Juliane Schaw, I think the daughter of Quintin Schaw of Grimmet who signed the National Covenant in 1636.

(The link is dead)

Juliane Schaw Is my (11th?) great grandmother.

This is close to breaking a brick wall.

Posting this as a research link

http://www.rps.ac.uk/static/furtherresearch.html

MacIlvane of Grimmet chart

https://www.maybole.org/history/surname/macilvean/MacIlveans%20of%2...

Agnes Dickey is misplaced in the tree.

Pam Wilson (on hiatus) Any thoughts ?

Need proof of parents for Isobel Kennedy, Lady Grymett

Notes say she could have been a widow Kennedy, and https://www.maybole.org/history/surname/macilvean/of_carrick.htm and https://www.maybole.org/history/surname/macilvean/MacIlveans%20of%2... have her name as Jean, died 1621

What became of the Lairds of Grimmet?

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/t/o/b/Warwick-R-Tobias/GENE7-0016.html

According to Mr. Guthrie, the minister at Kirkoswald who related the story in 1990, while doing research for a book on the
history of the Kirk of Kirkoswald, he had discovered that John McIlvaine had been the subject of a series of church and civil
trials during the 1720s and 1730s. He reported that the last Laird of Grimmet, who had a small estate at Thomaston, was called
before the Kirk Session in 1724 for living in sin with his housekeeper, one Jean Semple. He was found guilty by the Session,
and ordered to desist and pay a fine, which he refused to do. The case was taken to the civil magistrates, who upheld the Kirk.
He still refused to desist and pay the fines. At that point, some years after the beginning of the case, he was excommunicated from the Kirk. This was the only recorded excommunication in the history of the parish.
The result of the excommunication had very real practical consequences, because, as a result, no one would either buy from him
or sell to him for fear of eternal damnation. He quickly went bankrupt, and, according to Mr. Guthrie, "left for the New World".

While his departure is in doubt, it certainly resulted in the final loss of the estates ...

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"It is much more likely that at least some the unproven branches of the family included in the subsequent chapters, like the proven branches who came to America, are descended from some previous generation which passed through Ireland from 1600 onward. In this case, those which we can trace are most likely descended from John McIlvane and Julianna Schaw."

Erica Howton

Juliane is my 11th great grandmother too! I see you have been working on the McIlvane/McIlvaine Line.

https://www.geni.com/path/Jamey-Balester+is+related+to+Juliane-Scha...

Well hello cousin !

I was just reading that it seems likely all McIlvaines in America descend from John M’Ilvain and Juliane Schaw.

Her parents have been wrong on the sites. I am so grateful that checking into her supposed parents with a collaborator demonstrates they were impossible, and there’s a good candidate for her father proposed by a lady in Scotland.

I also got inspired to look again at this family by running across a living prestigious writer and thinker

http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1617771

I read a little article by him describing Crogers & McElwains in West Virginia. I’m guessing Thomas is a 7th cousin.

Wow, Thomas sounds like an interesting person. I will follow you as you dig in more. I remember when we were working in connecting some of the McIlvaines to the McElwines as as found the Grimmett source.

I wish I was more help. 😊

Cross referencing this previous discussion

https://www.geni.com/discussions/138287?by_or_about=600000002649264...

Here’s the Coger - MacIlwaine Marriage

Mary Cogar

We’d want to look for a nearby Mullins family who were Baptists and objected to a Cogar boy marrying in. Because Methodists were known to take a drink. Or two.

Here’s the story I found by Thomas McIlwain

http://multiracial.com/index.php/2002/01/01/american-indian-melungeon/

But they had to come back to West Virginia. I asked my grandmother how they traveled, because I realized there were no cars in those days. I guess there was the train, though. She said “We walked.” I don’t suppose it was too much over a hundred miles. They settled on Brown’s Mountain and my grandmother ended up marrying my grandfather. He was married to her best friend, Mary Crow, but Mary died of childbirth. Evy Mullins was engaged to one of the Coger boys, I believe, and was sitting in the parlor with him. The house was built around the fireplace, and there was a wall dividing the fireplace for the two rooms. My grandfather and Woodie Mullins threw a skunk over that wall. That wasn’t enough to discourage the Coger boy, though. Finally my grandfather got the Coger boy drunk and Evy Mullins left him. The Cogers and McElwains were Methodists and took a drink now and then. But Evy Mullins was a Baptist, and she wasn’t going to have anything to do with a boy that drank. Now dipping snuff was another thing. Her dad did that, and he was a decent as they come.

OMG. Not only is he a cousin, he went to the ancestral home in Maybole

https://www.maybole.org/places/maybolecastle/visitors.htm

Private User I’ve started his tree, look for an invite.

Hi Erica,
Ironically, i was looking into Christian musician and song writer Rich Mullins few months ago. His gr grandad goes back to Virginia and they are associated with Quakers...Mullins

Richard Wayne Mullins

I have to read through the rest of your posts on this thread. Very interesting fir sure!

Another “notable” McElwain

https://www.wvencyclopedia.org/articles/1634

Musician Lewis Johnson ‘‘Uncle Jack’’ McElwain (January 3, 1856-April 30, 1938) lived his entire life on Laurel Creek at Wainville, near the community of Erbacon in Webster County. He was the most respected fiddler in central West Virginia during his lifetime. He took part in many fiddle contests, and no one can recall him ever being beaten.

Although we have no recordings of McElwain’s playing, oral history reveals much about his playing style and repertoire. He is said to have played in the ‘‘old West Fork style.’’ This refers to the West Fork of the Little Kanawha, where the McElwain family lived before coming to Webster County in the 19th century.

Here is an Obit of Uncle Jack
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=4220.1.2&...

Anna Maria McElwain is your 7th cousin.

https://www.geni.com/path/Erica-Howton+is+related+to+Anna-Maria-McE...

We’re working on her Finnish side.

took a different path with me to her...

https://www.geni.com/path/Jamey-Balester+is+related+to+Anna-Maria-M...