Peter Stewart - Children for Peter Stewart

That bit about how David got back to Pennsylvania from Salisbury (after serving in the Navy and spending time in Ireland) is fascinating! I've not come across it before.

But I'm not sure about that family lore (Sir Charles Stewart) you mention at the end. The Stewart Clan Magazine and LW Griffin - plus DNA sources cited by Griffin - contradict it. They show that Robert S Stewart, Sr. (1666-1730) and Nancy Moore (1665-1695) were the parents of Lazarus Stewart, Sr. (1683/90-1744) and a whole slew of brothers and half brothers to Lazarus who also ended up in western Pennsylvania in the early to mid 1700s. Three generations of John Stewarts preceded Robert and the line is confirmed all the way back to Robert II, King of the Scots.

I am so delighted to see a reply to my discussion question of May, 2018. But of course, it is quite out-of-date. At that time I was just beginning my search into my Stewart family. So I was relying upon my cousin Brewer's research into it. This was the whole thing about Sir Charles Stewart of Tonderghie. I will explain that development below. In early 2018 I switched from most anything else in genealogy websites to just MyHeritage and Geni. My whole family had used MYFamily.com for 10 years owned by Ancestry.com. Then they required that we all switch to individual memberships on the site. Finally they cancelled MyFamily and stole all the family trees and photos we had posted there. That made me switch to Geni. Being the chief researcher since 1999 and Secretary for the Mendenhall Family Association since 2011, I started on Geni with the Mendenhall family, my chief Quaker ancestry. Right away a Geni curator, Anne Brannen, took me "under her wing" and helped me establish the Mendenhall trees on Geni in the correct way. I had to learn how to colaborate with others on Geni because it is their World Tree. Finally this past January, I took the familytreedna.com BigY700 test and received my subclade R-FT186473. That gave me my match from 800 years ago we believe and also a R-DF21 project provisional match to over 1500 years ago which is a bit similar to the ancient descent of the Stewarts of Scotland. Now I am admin for the FTydna Singleton project, I guess because of over 40 years of experience with it including living in England during the 1970s. But I have discovered that my maternal grandfather's mother's descent from David Stewart of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania is the biggest influence on my personal life as a Presbyterian. All my family have generally gone to a reformed Presbyterian college. My mom and dad worked tirelessly for the establishment of reformed Presbyterian churches throughout central Florida after we moved there in 1952 from Minnesota. So when my Presbyterian father married my VERY Presbyterian mother, that made us guess what? Mom had a ?x great uncle relationship with John Knox founder of the Presbyterian church of Scotland. He married a daughter of the Stewarts of Ochiltree from which we descend through those John Stewarts you mention and yes, Robert S. Stewart. So we are a Covenanter Presbyterian family. I found on Geni that already Lazarus was made a son of Sir Charles of Tonderghie. But there was a problem. Sir Charles and his son George, the immigrant, were not nearly as much Covenanters as Lazarus was. But Margaret Stewart the wife of Lazarus became a dedicated Covenanter you might expect when she married Lazarus. Then the curators from Geni deleted Sir Charles as the father of Lazarus and told me we would have to start all over searching for the father. They sent me a Geni curator named Eugene Thomas to help me. He had already helped me with my male maternal Brewer line and I found him to be a great help. So Eugene first went to the Stewart Clan magazine and posted their online url connection at the profile of Lazarus. Then he placed in the family Lazarus tree the rest of his 11 or 12 siblings. The sisters he just named "Daughter of". I was thankful for Eugene's help on that. Meanwhile I searched and searched for the father of all the siblings. Finally I found Robert S. Stewart born 1665-6 and already profiled on Geni. He seemed to be the match. His children all matched entirely with the siblings of Lazarus and the records placed in the overviews for Robert and his father John all attested to the large family of 12 which immigrated to Hanover, Paxtang, and Drumore Townships in the present Harrisburg area. Meanwhile the curators from Geni had disconnected the Charles Stewart line from Sir Robert Stewart of Culmore , Ulster, Ireland born 1588. Curator Anne Brannen told me I needed to prove the father-son relationship between Sir Robert and his reputed son George Stewart of Tonderghie, Scotland. Then I was besieged by several descendants of this "George Stewart" lineage to help them and find out how we could prove the link from Sir Robert to George. After a week I found a marriage record for George giving details of the special guests for the wedding of a Blair naming his sister as Elizabeth who married George Stewart of Tonderghie and Barclye: "◦Elizabeth, daughter of James Blair of Dunskey Castle married George Stewart of Tonderghie and of Barcly, Wigtownshire, (son of Sir Robert Stewart of Culmore, Governor of Derry[1643] Ireland)."

We got the connection down to Charles of Tonderghie again plus we got the wonderful complete story of the life of Sir Robert of Culmore. Then we found the property document stating that George Stewart of Donegal Township, PA b1683 was: "Feb 28, 1728/29: George Stewart requests the grant of about 500 acres or land below the fork of Sawatara creek, 200 acres for himself and 300 acres for his brother-in-law, Lazerus Stewart." (G245-SCM). So the wife of Lazarus, Margaret Stewart was from the Tonderghie Stewarts. That is where our connection to Sir Charles came from. So we connected all that line from Tonderghie and Barclye from Achibald down to George the immigrant b. about 1710 and then using the SC magazine, I posted on Geni the 4 Georges line: I, II, III, and IV. So then I connected Robert S. to the 12 Stewart siblings after I was reassured about the relationship primarily between Lazarus and his brother Samuel who came to western Pennsylvania in 1735 and settled in Drumore Twp. Then all the descendants of Samuel, Lazarus, brother Hugh, and the Tonderghie line to Col. George Stewart IV of the Revolutionary War were all happy with what was done. And the Geni curators were happy. (And now you too)

One day about a year ago I was looking at all those siblings, children of Robert S. and their birthdates. Eugene had them all as children of Mary Clark. Yet Mary was born in 1675!! How could she be the mother of those born to Robert from 1683-91? And Robert had a first wife named Nancy Moore about the same age as Robert. The first 6 siblings matched up with Nancy being their mother and those 3 sons immigrated to PA in about the same year, before 1729. The other 3 sons immigrated starting with Samuel in 1735. So I made it that way on Geni.com and I see now you agree with that. Thanks for answering the above discussion question. Anne Brannen taught me to post a discussion question first before changing anything big. Then if nobody replies for a week or two, if we think we have sufficient documentation, we can go ahead and make the changes. from Gary Allen Singleton

BTW I changed the overview story for Peter Stewart b1720 to be different from what you see above, sometime a couple years ago. I just forgot to delete my discussion question or to modify it.

Correction in the next to last paragraph about in the middle should be: "line from Tonderghie and Barclye from Archibald to Sir Robert of Culmore to George of Tonderghie to Charles of Tonderghie to George I born 1683 and sister Margaret born 1685 and then ....."

Thank you for you detailed and helpful reply, Gary! I'm listening and learning ...

Happy Holidays!

Thanks, Thomas. Since 2018 when I posted my Lazarus request beginning above, I have entered into the FamilyTreedna.com BigY700 test and have learned much from that. I am now the administrator for the FamilyTreedna 124 member Singleton Project. We have been together learning so much of how to identify our various male lines' SNP pathway family groups with the same family surname Most Recent Common Ancestor. Since I became one of the researchers on Geni working on our MRCA King of Scots Robert II's descendants, I checked the FamilyTree Stewart Stuart dna Project to look for Lazarus on it. Amazing, Lazarus is there in a dna family group with the number on the left margin of 410 and with a kit number test result of a descendant of Lazarus still having his Stewart surname. The groups are determined by the Stewart Project admins and by the FT dna testing experts and admins. They have placed Lazarus at the top and head of the particular family line which comes from at least two sons of Robert II: the Duke of Albany and Sir John Stewart Sherriff of Bute.
The family group has its own SNP pathway given at the header above Lazarus' name as follows: .R1b group 20 L746, Z38845, Y14197, Y14198. There are 13 ydna test kits in the family group all descendants of Robert II. Of the 13, 5 are identified as from the Sherriff of Bute. The remaining test kits I presume to have descended from the Duke of Albany like Lararus' line did. Two are identified positively as from Lazarus, with one of them being in a direct line from a great grandson of Lazarus named William Pemberton Stewart Sr b1804 VA d1860 Lawrence, TN who had a namesake son (Jr.) who had many sons no doubt then passing on down to today. This line came from the son of Lazarus named David born 1724 and David's son Lazarus. Here is a copy of the entry of William Pemberton in the Stewart Project:
#413 kit #209417 direct descendant of William Pemberton Stewart, 22 OCT 1804, RESULTING dna Subclade R-Y14198. Lazarus born 1683, the immigrant, is listed only with the Haplogroup R-M269 because the kit tester did not pay for the complete BigYdna test in order to get his own personal subclade. But since his gt. grandson, William Pemberton Stewart tested as R-M269 all the way down to R-Y14198, the experts could assume that Lazarus would be the same. The FT ydna experts examined the SNP's for the Lazarus kit and decided that they were in line with the rest of the 13 member family group. So there you have it. That is ydna tested proof of descent from Robert II and also on Geni.com we have posted the genealogy proven lineage from Robert II. Yes, like you wrote, we are "learning (so) Happy Holidays." Gary Allen Singleton

Wow! Every time you post I learn more great stuff! I am reasonably familiar with the Lazarus Stewart line, having taken a deep dive into my own family tree. Lazarus is my 6th Great Grandfather; his son David is my 5th Great Grandfather. I've traced the line down to me through David's son, Thomas Hamilton; then his son Lazarus P. (a mysterious man who used several names during his lifetime); Martin Lafayette; Thomas Otho; Basil O; and finally my father, Thomas Lester. I'm sorry to say, I'm the last of the line on our branch. There won't be any more.

I have taken a DNA test through Ancestry.com. I wonder if there's a way to share the results with the FamilyTreeDNA.com test you mention?

Did you get your personal subclade? How many STR markers did you test for?

You might be able to google Stewart Stuart DNA Project and then click on the Family Tree link to it. Usually they ask if you would like to join the group. If you go to the application to join the group, they should ask you for your kit# for your dna and the source of it. If asked about furtherest direct ancestor in your Stewart line, enter Lazarus Stewart born 1683 Scotland. If they join you to the Project, they will take your STR results and place you probably at first in "Ungrouped." Then if they do not match you with the Lazarus group already existing with Haplogropup R-M269 beginning at entry # 410 in the left column, you can email one of the admins listed at the beginning of the Project website and request to be placed in the group 20 headed by Lazarus born 1683. That should merge your Ancestry dna results into the FamilyTree Stewart Project.

I've recently taken the FTDNA Big Y-700 test. Anxiously awaiting the results. I think they'll be posted on the charts in the Stewart (Royal) and Stewart-Bute group projects.

I'm intrigued (anew) by your comments above (12/24/21) regarding the DNA evidence. In particular, your observation that the "remaining test kits I presume to have descended from the Duke of Albany like Lararus' line did." While my genealogical research agrees with this, I recently have encountered a distant cousin (who descends from Lazarus Stewart (b. 1683) through David Stewart's son Thomas Hamilton Stewart and his son Robert Sonkey Stewart). Recall that I descend from Thomas Hamilton's son Lazarus P. Stewart. In any event, it seems his Big Y-700 results show his line to Robert II through the Sheriff of Bute -- not the Duke of Albany.

I wonder ... can this be reconciled with the presumption that Lazarus' line going back to Robert II does so through the Duke of Albany?

Interested in your thoughts.

Kind regards!
Thomas

Excellent. The thing to get is the exact haplogroup from your distant cousin above. That shows the SNP pathway result. Then we compare his Haplogroup and later yours with the Lazarus group and the William Pemberton group and then also with the Bute groups. FTydna now has a new beautiful tool called Discover - Haplogroup reports. We all can just input the result haplogroup and it pulls up the age of that group. Our group (yours!) shows the age as from 1300CE which is the same as AD. That corresponds with the time of the birth of King of Scots Robert II. That is for haplo,,,,R-Y14198. So our Stewart lines are then differenciated from the middle of the 1300s with the births of Robert the Duke of Albany in 1340 and John the Sherriff of Bute. They both are R-Y14198. Then between 1340 and 1500 the Lazarus line mutated in the SNP to R-FT74278. William Pemberton and most of those in his group plus most of those in the group of Lazarus are all reported as from R-Y14198 with the group of Lazarus showing further testing result mutation in the SNP to R-FT74278. One in that group is self-reporting that he believes he comes from Bute, but that is not necessarily so seeing that all the others from Bute do not have the result R-FT74278 like Lazarus has. Then the others in Pemberton's group who report they come from Bute all have different variations in their ending haplogroup from Wm, Pemberton. So this leaves doubt that Bute and Albany have separate SNP pathways. They appear to have the same SNP pathway until about 1500, but that is in their ydna path, not their genealogical pathway which we know is different from Robert II. So this is not settled yet until we get many more ydna results like yours.