All Things Bright and Crosier

Here are some background links:

http://www.classypages.com/FranksGenealogyPage/crosier.htm

http://www.elwald.com/border-reivers-armstrong-elliott-nixon-crozie...

http://www.elwald.com/crosier-crozier-croyser-crosyer-crosar/

More links:

The Halifax Crosier descendant:
Private
The common ancestor of the Northern Ireland and New England Crosiers:
William Crozier, of Loughans

How can we tie this into the Crosiers of England and Scotland?

Erica Howton, please feel free to invite anyone who you think might have an interest in this discussion/project.

Anne Brannen, if you're tired of chasing nobility, this might be interesting to you as well.

Aw man, anyone with Border clans! Armstrong, Musgrove (that would be me ...), there's a name cloud somewhere.

The border was raided in both directions.

There's a wonderful story of Mucklemouth Meg that explained a lot to me.

So anyway - it's a fallacy to think the Ulster Plantation was only Scots. It was a colony & 40% English.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scotlands-ugliest-woman-honoured-...

"During his research, Mr Taylor also decided that Muckle Mou'd may not have been as ugly as her reputation suggested. "She did have a long nose and a very big mouth," he said. "But so does Barbra Streisand. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Here she is on Geni

Agnes Murray, Lady Harden

Project :

https://www.geni.com/projects/Border-Reivers/177

Erica Howton, that project page is wonderful. Thanks!

But I think that you are gently trying to politely tell me that figuring out actual relationships between specific people in these clans back before 1600 is going to be a challenge. I certainly agree with that. But somebody must have written something down somewhere! Were there gravestones, at least? I would hope that some survive to this day? or is that unlikely?

Gravestones unlikely. Ballads a plenty. Genealogy possible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steel_Bonnets

Well would you look at this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers

In 1587 the Parliament of Scotland passed a statute: "For the quieting and keping in obiedince of the disorderit subjectis inhabitantis of the borders hielands and Ilis."[27] Attached to the statute was a Roll of surnames from both the Borders and Highlands. The Borders portion listed 17 'clannis' with a Chief and their associated Marches:

Middle March
Elliot, Armstrong, Nixon, Crozier

'So anyway - it's a fallacy to think the Ulster Plantation was only Scots. It was a colony & 40% English.' Is there a list, somewhere, of the people who went to Ulster Plantation? Even just a list of names with no context would be enormously helpful.

Ah -- there were lists:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ulster+plantation+muster+rolls&...

Oooh, the family history of the New England Crosiers has, in some parts, Coleraine as the source town:

http://www.greatparchmentbook.org/2015/12/08/more-17th-century-iris...

Interestingly enough, no Crosiers are mentioned in any of the databases included off of this page:

http://www.billmacafee.com/17centurydatabases.htm

There are some "Cross" and some "Crossen", but no "Crosier" or "Crozier".

Now, we know from the DNA study that there was a Crozier in Northern Ireland around 1650. But we have no evidence of a Crosier, so far, in any of the written documents from the period. Were they just off the radar? Did they get out into the countryside and take their chances away from the "plantation"? Or were they there and the names were just buggered beyond recognition on the rolls?

No documentation one way or another. BUT I'm not an Ulster expert by a long shot.

http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/crozier/626/ has specific studies

http://www.tulliehouse.co.uk/collections/border-reivers the curators may well be worth contacting. It looks like this museum collects history / art (about) Border Reivers

Saw them referenced in this article

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-02-11/news/mn-34692_1_border-reivers

Now this interesting - there was a 1411 migration of Croziers from Cumberland England to Ireland in addition to the later displacement to Ulster of the reveing family

https://books.google.com/books?id=FexFDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT11&ots...

Captain Francis Crozier: Last Man Standing? By Michael Smith

"2) The Border Reivers rode during a period of extreme chaos in the history of the Anglo-Scottish Border.Many young mothers were widowed, and many children were orphaned.The social customs of the Reivers, affected by a need for self-reliance and the shifting circumstances of the era, favored trial marriages, and allowed even married women to keep their surnames.The larger Border Reiver clans themselves were like tribes or paramilitary organizations as much as families, and many born with different surnames joined these clans for protection, eventually assuming the clan surname as their own. As a consequence of all these factors, Border Reiver descendants are to this day closely interrelated.Many with different surnames share the same ancestors, and many with the same surname are descended from genetically distinct paternal lines.Our DNA Project seeks to determine the relationships among these descendants, both on an individual and a family level."

The project began in 2004. It's been 14 years. I suspect some of the interrelatedness that tied New England Crosiers back to Northern Ireland was part of this study, but I can't tell for sure because the links to rootsweb on the page are all dead at this point. :-(

Nevertheless this sounds like a knot of Gordian proportions to untangle completely, so all I'm hoping for is to blaze a narrow path through it. ;-)

Goodness! Nicholas Crozier sounds like exactly the guy we're looking for!

He's a good 200 years before the last common ancestor between the New England Crosiers and the Ireland branch though. That's a lot of unnamed generations in Geni. Let me think about this...

They talk about the marriages between the Crosiers in Northern Ireland and the Macgills and the Johnstons. Wow, the Geni tree has so much interrmarriage with the Johnstons that it's not even funny -- it continued on into Australia too when parts of the family emigrated.

This is the reference we've been looking for. I just wish there was a pedigree between 1450 and 1700 too...

There's actually enough detail here to take a good swag at extending the existing tree back in to England. I've created a branch and am whacking away at it. Stay tuned.

Ok, it actually holds together pretty well, although we really can use more complete families and better dates. Still, it's far better than I hoped for even now. Have a look, starting here:

Captain John Crozier, of Ballinamallard

Erica Howton, we need the "Lords of the Manor" for Redworth Hall, Heighlington, County Durham, if you know of a reference that has that information. Then we'll be able to fill the "unknown"s in starting here and up:

Nicholas Crosier

The other missing piece is tying my known Lawrence Crosier ancestor (b.1515) back to one of the Heighlington Crosiers. I fully expect there to be a link but I don't know what it looks like yet. However, I do note that Lawrence wasn't the only Crosier born about that time who lived in Howden Parish -- there was a Nicholas too, who may well be Lawrence's brother, and that too seems to be a common name for the Heighlington Crosier lineage. So I think we're pretty close...

Do you notice the manager you tied into?

Rawdon Moira Crozier Parry

An early Geni Collaborator, he taught me quite a bit

His namesake

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-unsung-arctic-hero-1.1028043?mod...

https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/cc4rz/crosier1.php

'Crosier1'Index links to: Lead / Letter
Families covered: Crosier (Crosyer) of Newbiggin (Newbigginge)

   
Nicholas Crosyer (b c1406, a 1461)
m. Elizabeth of Newbiggyng (dau/heir of Nicholas de Burnynghyll by Beatrix, sister/heir of Richard de Bynchestre)
1. John Crosyer (dvm)
  A. Nicholas Crosyer of Newbigginge, co. Durham (b c1478, a 04.1535) the first mentioned by the Visitation
  m1. Margaret Hesilrigge (dau of Robert Hesilrigge or Hasilrigge of Swarland)
  i. Nicholas Crosyer of Newbigginge (d 07.03.1554-5)
  m. (by 04.1535) Margaret Awdwoode (dau of John Awdwoode or Audwoode of Midridge Grange)
  a. Nicholas Crosyer of Newbiggin (b c02.1535, d 09.01.1580-1)
  m. Margaret Wrenn (dau of William Wrenn of Billy Hall and/or Bynchester)
  (1) George Crosier of Newbiggin (b c1558, bur 08.03.1623)
  m. Anne Blackburne (dau of Thomas Blackburne of Blackburne)
  (A) George Crosier of Newbiggin (bpt 02.02.1581-2, d 19.12.1669)
  m. Anne Wood (bur 15.09.1651, dau of Thomas Wood of Church Merrington)
  (i) George Crosier (bpt 11.04.1615, dvp)
  m. Elizabeth Atkinson (dau/coheir of Thomas Atkinson of Hoghouse)
  (a) George Crosier of Newbiggin (bpt 02.04.1637, bur 24.02.1717)
  m. Eleanor Harrison (bur 01.03.1716, dau of John Harrison of Sunderland)
  ((1)) Eleanor Crosier (b 19.06.1659)
  m. (13.05.1679) Richard Smith of Tunstall, later of Ramside (d 22.05.1698)
((A)) Eleanor Smith
  m. Joseph Martin of Durham
  ((B))+ other issue - George (dvpsp 1695), Richard of Ramside then Inverness, Robert (dsp 1695)
  ((2)) Elizabeth Crosier (b 1662)
  m. (1693) Robert Hilton of Bishop Auckland
  ((A)) Cuthbert Hilton (dsp)
  ((B)) Eleanor Hilton
  m. Sir William Richardson, Bart
  ((C)) Jane Hilton
  m. Ellis Veryard of Boxhill
  ((D)) Elizabeth Hilton
  m. Thomas Beckwith
  ((3)) Anne Crosier (bpt 24.10.1665)
  m. (30.11.1686) John Tewart of Heighington
  ((A)) Eleanor Tewart
  m. Thomas Billings of Heighington
((4)) Mary Crosier (bpt 27.02.1667-8)
  m. (30.07.1693) William Shawe of Pittington
  ((A)) Ann Shawe (dsp)
  m. _ Musgrave
  ((B)) Mary Shawe
  m. Thomas Forster
  ((i)) John Forster (a 1797)
  ((C))+ other issue - Eleanor (dsp), Dorothy (d young), Sarah (d young)
  ((5)) Jane Crosier (bpt 25.07.1671)
  m. (27.06.1693) Edward Surtees of Mainsforth (b c1663, d 1747)
  (b) Nicholas Crosier of Sunderland
  m. Barbara Anderson (dau of Richard Anderson of Sunderland, m2. Robert Sharpe of Bridlington)
  ((1))+ issue - George of Bridlington (bpt 27.01.1669, a 1714), Anne (bpt 24.12.1666), Elizabeth (bpt 17.12.1668), Barbara
  (c) Byan Crosier of Bishop Wearmouth (bpt 01.05.1643)
  m. (24.10.1668) Mary Hall
  ((1))+ issue - George (bpt 04.08.1669), Nicholas (bpt 24.05.1673), Margaret (bpt 14.10.1671), Mary (bpt 22.09.1677, bur 01.10.1684), Ellen (bpt 22.09.1677)
  (d) Thomas Crosier (bpt 24.03.1644)
  m1. (13.10.1666) Rebecca Baker
  ((1))+ issue - George (bpt 1669), Anne (bur 1669), Sarah (bur 14.11.1667)
  m2. (18.04.1669) Anne Watt
  ((4)) Thomasine Crosier (bpt? 11.11.1671)
  (ii) Cuthbert Crosier
  (iii) Thomas Crosier
  m1. (06.06.1645) Mary Richardson (bur 10.03.1654-5)
  m2. Dorothy Hutton (dau of Thomas Hutton of Cockerton)
  (a)+ issue - George, Thomas (b 03.11.1657), Anthony (bpt 01.11.1664), Mary (bpt 14.02.1660), Dorothy (bpt 24.03.1662-3)
  m3. Margaret
  (e)+ other issue - Nicholas (bpt 25.06.1667), Anne (bpt 06.05.1669)
  (iv) Jane Crosier (bpt 07.11.1616)
  m. (12.05.1640) Robert Laxe of Meriton
  (v) Anne Crosier (bpt 07.03.1621)
  m. (18.05.1647) Marmaduke Blacket (b c1621, d 1669, brother of Blackett of Woodcroft)
  (B) Anne Crosier (bpt 15.02.1584/5)
  m. John Pattison or Pateson or Patenson of Durham
  (C) Elizabeth Crosier (bpt 02.06.1590)
  m. John Smith of Akeley (Smithson of Aycliffe)
  (D) Margaret Crosier (bpt 06.06.1596)
  m. William Tayleur of Bishop Auckland
  (E) Mary Crosier (bpt 28.11.162)
  m. John Southwick of East Coombe (Suddicke of Escombe)
  (F)+ other issue - Nicholas (bpt 19.06.1580, bur 11.1581), Anthony (bpt 13.12.1587), Henry (bpt 1593, bur 09.04.1597), Thomas (bpt 1598, bur 30.06.1599), William (bpt 01.04.1601, bur 09.07.1601)
  (2) Nicholas Crosier (a 1575)
  b. John Crosyer
  m1. ??
  (1) Isobel Crosyer (bpt 02.09.1575)
  m2. (27.05.1582) Eleanor Robinson
  m2. Christobel

Main source(s): BHO ('The History and Antiquities of the County Palatine of Durham', vol 3: Stockton and Darlington wards, Parish of Heighlington), Visitation (Durham, 1575+1615+1666, Crosyer of Newbigginge) with some support from the section on 'Family of Crosier' within Commoners (vol 2, Surtees of Redworth)

(add this as a text document)

"Do you notice the manager you tied into?" I *did* notice that, indeed. Would it be a good idea to tag him for this discussion, do you think? As for the arctic explorer relation, that would certainly tickle Larry's fancy...

Exactly what we need!!

I've uploaded the text document "Crozier_of_Newbiggin" to the most recent Nicholas's profile as a source document. Is there any way in Geni to easily share this among multiple profiles? The same doc should be referenced as a source by 200 years worth of Croziers. ;-)

https://www.fivenine.co.uk/local_history_notebook/Redford%20Grove/S...

http://www.saxonlodge.net/getperson.php?personID=I1759&tree=Tatham