Juan Carlos I, Rey de España - Male Y DNA listed here, "NOT" from the HOUSE OF BOURBON! DNA subject should be removed.

Hi. My Father DNA : R1b-M222 and the inherit from him is R1b-S660

Mother is instead : J2a and mine J2a2c.

Hi, again I took a look at my DNA Hardcover Book . There is written on my Father´s YDNA Tree this R1b-M269 the same as for Mountbatten House Of Olderburg .

What have you to say about that . ???

Perhaps different branches of the house of Bourbon have different "Y" DNA because of interludes with different men. This argument is as old as the house of Bourbon itself. My line of the House is J and I descend from the family of France. It doesn't matter to me who believes or who doesn't. GENI's arbitrary assignment of DNA to various people is probably not a safe thing to do without testing. Names do not always run true to blood. They witnessed bed and birth in those days to assure blood lines and that did not always work.

That is maybe not so important if I am related or not to Juan Carlos the King Of Spain .

I am the owner of an old letter from AKEVOTH (Traces) -Research of the family origins and heritage . http://www.ductchjewry.org the Netherlands.

Here is something written. The names you mention are very common patronymic Jewish names , and can be in force for ten thousands of couples in European Jewry from the Middle Ages onwards.
What can be said about them , whoever they are ,that both Esther and Moshe Baruch are Levites (Segal). Yours sincerly : Ben Noah . Israel.

my y chromosome is rooted 6K years ago in the vicinity of Ararat and my tribe of origin is Noahcho as determined by National Geographic. It would appear that this gene moved into the Levant for several thousand years and migrated into central Germany, France and Belgium. Time and testing will reveal what was the "Y" chromosome of the French Kings so all we have to do it wait. Does anyone have the patients to do that?

Have you joined any projects on Family Tree DNA ? Where do they place you in History and Time? I've been working with my DNA and was first tested in 2004 to help calibrate the software for National Geographic great migration. Since ........ I've tested with Ancestry, 23 & me, Living DNA, and had an interpretation by Full Geome. Although there are no know samples of arcane French Royal DNA there are indicators from other possible related royal houses that the French Royals were J ........ time will tell.

I meant I had some DNA as Carla Magne the King Of Franks ( Karla Magnus ).

But unfortunately I do not remember where I found his DNA somewhere on the internet . It´s been so long since I reviewed him this Carlamagne Kinf Of Franks.

It was something across.

There are shown 3 examples of children without marriage in my family tree. 1 in the Faroe Islands possibly 2 and 2 from the island Of Rømø in Denmark . 1 in France so gentle Carlamagne had the King Of the Franks.

Maybe this can helps. !!!

https://media.geni.com/p13/db/18/ee/22/5344484326797c85/houseofbour...

read the study

King Carlemagne´s frill was probably I was related to, ie, Carlemagne´s descendants . Have that voice. ?

<PLEASE MR DR ANWAR MICHAEL IBRAHIM could you give me the Y DNA that matches with Don Juan Carlos? Thanks in advance. Mary

That would be the recent Bourbon study on descendants of Louis XIII (two lines through Louis XIV and one through his brother Philippe Duc d'Orleans. Here's a fairly god account: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3992573/

Nobody knows for sure why earlier tests on traces of blood in a gourd, said to have come from the executed Louis XVI, and a mummified head, said to have been that of Henri IV, gave different results. Maybe the catch is in that "said to have".

Since Juan Carlos is also a descendant of Louis XIV, he should belong to the same group.

One further comment: without additional ancestral DNA and/or tests from verified descendants, we can *not* be sure that this is also the Capet/Valois haplotype. Henri IV was only a *ninth* cousin to the last of the Valois, which leaves a lot of room for...error.

https://www.igenea.com/en/bourbons

study:
https://file.scirp.org/pdf/AA_2019013117102906.pdf

The contradictory DNA evidence is from a cloth blood sample, I believe? If we know lineage to Louis XVI is solid in documentation, it is more valid to assume the Y-DNA similar to other findings on the "House Of Bourbon" as Being Z381+ .

to detect those of them
that are of the R-S21 = U106 haplogroup. Genotypes at Z-381 (Z381− or Z381+
)
were also determined (Figure 2) using the method of FTDNA,

Louis XIII le Juste, Roi de France et Navarre is your 8th cousin 11 times removed. If I'm woman how can I know that is in my DNA Private User

Pedro López de Ayala, Canciller mayor de Castilla y señor de Ayala is your 18th great grandfather. Juan Carlos, Louis XIII and I had the same grandparent Private User Do you have any study about this line thanks in advance M.

The paper trail back to Louis XIII is solidly documented. The provenance of the blood on the cloth in the gourd is somewhat uncertain, and the head apparently went missing several times (there is only anecdotal evidence that it ever *left* Henri IV's shoulders, also).

Anwar you are not a male line descendent. Your paternal lineage stops at William Brown who was english

Z381+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381; * = Z156- Z301- R1b1a2a1a1a5
Z156+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381>Z156; * = Z305- ** = Z305- L782- R1b1a2a1a1a5a
Z305+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>Z305; * = L1- P89.2-, Equivalents: S376 R1b1a2a1a1a5a1
L1+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>Z305>L1; * = L132.2-, Equivalents: null439,S26 R1b1a2a1a1a5a1a
L132.2+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>Z305>L1>L132.2+; Terminal
P89.2+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>Z305>P89.2+; Terminal R1b1a2a1a1a5a1b
L128+ >>> R1b-U106>Z381>Z156>Z305>L128+; Terminal R1b1a2a1a1a5a1c

it just means your brown relatives in England have not had dna tests . i have no Y matches at all on FTDNA

Oh dear, this is one of those "we think it's so but there is no paper trail" situations.

"Aryan" is an obsolete term for what is now (more cumbersomely) called "Indo-European", which is just a label for a conglomeration of tribes that spread out from somewhere in northwestern Asia to the Atlantic in the west and the Tarim Basin in the East. Almost ALL European languages, and a scattering of others, belong to the "Indo-European" language megafamily.

The Hittites were Indo-European speakers, which shows how far back this goes.

I do mean Aryan=Iranian or indo-Iranian
male DNA=
Gutian / Scythian/ Goth/ Jatt/ KURD/ tribes.

As far as plausibility goes, Louis XIV and his son and heir Louis XV were notorious for their many mistresses, and probably made free with the female servants as well - not to mention any female the came across who caught their fancy.

For that matter, their grandfather Henri IV was reputed to be a Tireless Tomcat also.

As is so often the case, though, getting a good paper trail is fraught with difficulties, particularly for casual liaisons.

Mmm - Louis XIV's grandfather, Louis XV's great-grandfather. Can't get careless here.

quote Maven (Like the name by the way):

Elizabeth II's male ancestry runs through Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - Prince Albert of same having married into the Hanover royal line (Queen Victoria) - and back to the House of Wettin (Y-DNA signature characterized as Haplogroup R1b-U106 with the additional SNP Z305+).

Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

GOTH

https://file.scirp.org/Html/5-1590690_90376.htm

Gotha is a city in Thuringia, Germany, which *may* date back to Charlemagne's time. But the name has nothing to do with the Goths and everything to do with the local water quality ("gotaha", or "good waters" in Old High German - and let's not get into the convoluted topic of the evolution of the German language family, that's a whole college course in itself).

Frankly, I take nationalistic puffery with heaping helpings of salt, as most of it is self-glorification myths. (The USA is in no way immune to this and may be among the most afflicted by it.)