Martin Wildman - Who are Martin Wildman's parents?

Private User

1/5/2018 at 11:34 AM

1) Martin is thought to be from Tatham parish
2) Martin married Ellen Thornton in 1609 in Tatham parish records
3) his mother would have to have married circa 1589 or before.
4) if the following list is complete for Tatham then Martin's parents are one of the first three lettered couples on the list (A,B, or C)
5) it is not impossible that Martin's parents came from elsewhere
6) looking at a carefully extracted list of all WIldmans in the parish from the 1718 transcription we do not see Martin at all... (This is troubling for it brings doubt to the parentage of martin for Matthew Wildman who was the husband of the Quaker martyr Elizabeth of Tatham
7) Further complicating these facts is an additional one: Matthew Wildman 's wife Elizabeth was excommunicated from the Church of England for her illegal conversion to the Qauker faith. As the records were rewritten in 1718 by the son of the rector who took this action, perhaps the records on which I rely are now insufficient as the may omit most Quakers who "transgressed". There are indication that support my theory. Look at the record of Elizabeth Wilde, of Mewith and the notation about her baptism: https://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000005190641251?album_type=phot...

A)Thomas to Swan, Agnes 1577
B)Edward to Walker, Elizebeth 1582 Edward Wildman of Tatham parish
C)William to Bateson, Jenett 1584
d) Thomas to Bolderstone, Jenett 1594
e) Edmond to Swinglehurst, Ellen 1598
f) John to Hathornwaite, Ellen 1603
g) Martin to Thornton, Ellen 1609

Private User

1/5/2018 at 11:40 AM

While going through the entire 1718 transcript I noticed that the Wildman surname starts to become scarce after arrival of George Fox, founder of Quakerism and an evangelical speaker in Lancashire.
The thing why do we not find earlier references for those who converted? I think that Rev. John Sharp purposely omitted many references to those who left the Church... It's hard to prove...

Bill Willmon

2/12/2020 at 11:50 AM

Martin went to Penn in 1691 and died there in 1699

Private User

3/5/2020 at 4:26 AM

It's a complicated puzzle to figure out.
Here's another addition to the mix: Matthew Wildman, theoretical brother of Martin

I have also started a separate discussion about possible Wildman brothers including Martin.

Private User

3/5/2020 at 4:31 AM

Bill Willmon

The Martin who went to Pennsylvania wasn't this one.
The Martin of whom you speak is Martin Wildman of Croasdale Grains

Private User

2/16/2022 at 5:59 AM

Here's another citation worth tracking down... should all the above be wrong:

Name: Mathew Wildman
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 22 Feb 1610
Baptism Place: Horton IN Ribblesdale,York,England
Father:
Christofer Wildman

Mathew Wildman
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/129190464:9841?_p...

What if Mathew's parents weren't Martin and Ellen?

Private User

2/16/2022 at 7:23 AM

A number of years ago I built this project:
https://www.geni.com/projects/Tatham-Parish-records-Church-of-England-Lancashire-Sub-Project/46547
during which I could NOT find a baptism of Mathew WIldman in Tatham parish... This is why I now want to reopen study of the topic "Who are Matthew Wildman's parents"

Private User

2/16/2022 at 7:51 AM

refreshing my memory about locations: all the parishes involved are so very close to each other:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Thornton+in+Lonsdale,+Carnforth,+UK...

Private User

2/10/2023 at 8:18 AM

This is great to hear! Thanks for writing.

I have heard that it disappointing for many to find that Geni has a so-called one-world-tree approach.

As far as the pedigree of Christopher Wildman de Newby vis-a-vis Matthew Wildman goes, I still maintain that they are most likely the correct father

I could be convinced that it is otherwise. You have the father as Martin Wildman

I would love to see the sourcing for this.

Once again:
Here is my sourcing in my own words. I have worked on this for many years as well:

"We do not have a record of Matthew being baptized in Tatham Parish... just discovered (Feb. 2022) The following citation most likely pertains to him thereby eliminating many speculative links (of this branch of the WIldman family) to Tatham parish
Here's the citation (that suggests that) the parents of Matthew

===are not===

Martin and Ellen (Thornton). (Matthew's) father is Christopher.

Name: Mathew Wildman
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 22 Feb 1610 (old style = 1611 new style)
Baptism Place: Horton in Ribblesdale,York, England (quite nearby)
Father:
Christofer Wildman

Mathew Wildman
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

I read the entire register of the Tatham Parish register (in Latin) to help me with this determination. But what now believe It is not an absolute decision. ( forgive my tone in my earlier message ) Do you have a baptism record for
Matthew Wildman ?

I had first believed as you now seem to that Martin Wildman was Matthew's father.
It was only after realizing just how many branches of the Wildman family there were in the late 16th century that I even began to entertain that it was otherwise. That and the absence of a baptismal record at Tatham.

I hope we can advance the scholarship in this region of our shared Wildman tree.
For now, it may be useful to leave two set of parents until you and I can agree how to proceed.

Respectfully,
Mike vB

If you are interested in this you may want to look at a document I created in 2018:
https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000073194131186&

Indeed:

Martin	 married Thornton, Ellen	           1609 in Tatham Parish.

My thought was that if Matthew was their son, his baptism would have been recorded there, but it wasn't

Here is a link to what I went through:
https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=project&photo_id=6000000073375362041&project_id=46435
see in particular:
Attribution:
Lancashire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Parish Registers Tatham 1558-1812 on ancestry dot com
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2478/
But I didn't stop there. I read the entire scan of the original document page-by-page.
I was perplexed by Matthew's absence.

The ministry of Rev. Thomas Sharp who had an even prior version of the register made complicates things. Sharp was an antagonist of Mathew's wife, the martyr Elizabeth. There is a fair chance the the copy on file now had some names expunged.

Yet we do have the Matthew baptized at Horton in Ribblesdale.

Horton is only 16 mikes from Tatham
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Tatham,+Lancaster,+UK/Horton+in+Rib...

Private User

2/10/2023 at 8:51 AM

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