Tomasine Meigs (Fry) - Question regarding profile notes

Started by Private User on Thursday, January 4, 2018
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1/4/2018 at 9:54 PM

Curator: I was wondering about some of the content on this profile regarding the reliability of a death date because it is the same as a spouse. Was this in the original research notes on this person? The reason I ask is that it was not unheard of to have this occur in a time period where infectious disease and accidents were frequent. Or is this a note something that has been added without foundation and is simply conjecture?

1/4/2018 at 10:04 PM

From https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=160805526

"The exact date of Thomasine's death is not known. Many researchers have used the same date as her husband"

I can set to "blank" or a range for you?

11/5/2021 at 11:49 AM

Hi guys, this is a little odd. Tamazin is my 10th grandmother-I have a direct maternal line with her, not a cousin, and I am trying to find some documentation that would prove her parents, her mother is also in my direct line. I have hit a brick wall. Geni is a little different than WikiTree, they have these groups that take profiles and put them in things like "The Great Puritan Migration" or some little self important group of the likes, and in doing so make it so you have to have "proof in hand" or you don't get to work on adding parents-even with what they consider vague information. AND to top it off, I have not been, how to say it without cuss words....have not....been...like... "invited in", I'm an outsider wanting to move forward, don't know why they shut it like that, it's not a good thing to have a mind so narrow people at the next table can hear your ears grind together when you attempt to think. Not everyone there is the same, I just ran into the bumper crop of...them people. I'm being nicer then they have been. I don't fit the mold there anyway-I never lost that sense of self I acquired in the USMC, and then became a licensed nurse, so what was left was me, not taking "I don't know" for an answer, and I asked for help, all I was told was thats all there is, sorry. (I added the sorry part). Thats one dilema I am trying to work through, any help would be really appreciated, I want to show up there with stuff I can put together and kinda put my foot under some butt's and get this moving.
My maternal line is as follows
1. Rusty (me) is the son of Donna Wright
2. Donna is the daughter of Maxine Grace (Cox) Comstock (1920-1988)
3. Maxine is the daughter of Mabel (Benson) Dickson
4. Mabel is the daughter of Elsie Jane (Walton) Benson (bef.1843-1900)
5. Elsie is the daughter of Harriet (Seymour) Walton (1812-1867)
6. Harriet is the daughter of Zilpha (Borden) Seymour (abt.1788-1879)
7. Zilpha is the daughter of Hannah (Calkins) Borden (1755-1837)
8. Hannah is the daughter of Mary (Prentiss) Calkins (1726-1763)
9. Mary is the daughter of Phebe (Harris) Edgerton (1700-1763)
10. Phebe is the daughter of Mary (Stevens) Harris (1677-1718)
11. Mary is the daughter of Mary (Meigs) Stevens (abt.1633-1703)
12. Mary is the daughter of Thomasine (Fry) Meigs (1612-1672)
This makes Thomasine the tenth great grandmother for me.
And for the foreseeable future, or eternity, whichever comes first, thats how it is, and I might add, "period."
I didn't ask to be me, or ask to be related to certain people, but I find I am in this spot and for a reason. Now is the time to fill this small yet large chasm-and I also know that other places worked this through-I don't understand why it is so hard for them on Wiki to understand how it is with what documents that are there.
There are 73 people managing this profile, am I related to you? So many people, in so many places, with access to all things as it is, just one piece, I am scouring the births from the area she was born in, every church record, anything that will link her to parents, don't care what it is as long as it has a way to cite it, personally I'd take scrawl on bark if it could be cited.
If anyone would like. my email address it is "chrisandrusty@gmail.com", I don't always get here as much as I would like to, and the wife has had a fairly rough time the last couple years and we are at hospitals more than we like to be and working on genealogy is not allowed on their wifi I guess, have never been able to hook in and do any everytime we are there, but that gets my attention every morning at least.
Thank you for taking time to read this and sorry for being long winded. Hope everyone has a fantastic day,
Thank you
Rusty

11/5/2021 at 12:06 PM

Hi Rusty

The problem is (probably, I’m not being specific) that records either do not exist at all or they have not been digitized or that they’ve never been analyzed. You need to understand what’s available locally in England for Thomasine (Fry) Meigs (1612-1672).

11/13/2021 at 12:30 PM

Hi Erica,
I am a newborn when it comes to genealogy, no arguments there.
What I am old at, is history. And I do realize that not all of it is digitalized
I have been pouring over the notes, messages, every site I can find her on, read read and then read some more. It really does look like the parents that had been brought forward over the last 25 years are her parents-it's just there is not 1 clear document that shows that.
I had found that when her husband passed on there are no further records of just her that I can find.
Leads me to believe she also perished on the same (or within 24 hours, of her husband. That set me to death registers, news printed then and there looking for some disease or even the proverbial lead poisonings of the day-English agents here bringing retribution on individuals the king guy didn't like, and about everything I could think of, including her returning to England and dying there, to no avail.
I am hoping that as they become digitalized her family becomes more apparent. There have been some documents I found in a couple places there that have clarified some things for cousins that they didn't know were fresh, and I didn't know they didn't know in an edit-update. He was glad I found them because it put the right stuff in the right places for him, and extended some family to me/mine/us.
I will apologize in advance-I also am not an English comp major in college. Yeah, someone suggested an ESL class, no joke. I do math in my sleep. This is hard compared to going to nursing school and graduating in top 5% of the class. I've had days where I worked through whatever disaster was up, 56 hours, and once 118 hours straight. 8 hours of this-wears me down faster than an ice carving statue in hell. I don't want to make any mistakes. But I know I will. I'm 64, hopefully God gives me 20+ years to finish this. In the event I don't get that time, I want to leave it as correct for the next guy as I can.
Then my question-are you in England? I keep getting surprised with people, where I don't expect them to be, they are there. World is getting smaller all the time...
Thank you for responding, it's one more person who is aware of "The Problem" ;) and you might see something or have a thought and follow it. Everyone can help just doing what they do naturally. I have found so many things following peoples searches and additions.
Have a fantastic day!!!
Rusty

11/13/2021 at 2:51 PM

I’ve been American since 1634 or so (I think) so that makes me familiar with the agony of trying to find English & early colonial American records.

Re: I had found that when her husband passed on there are no further records of just her that I can find.

Leads me to believe she also perished on the same (or within 24 hours, of her husband.

It is far more likely that there just is no extant record of her death. An unusual circumstance like dying so close together is more likely to have “made the news.” But looking for an epidemic is a great idea. Some years later there waves of smallpox that are documented.

11/14/2021 at 10:47 AM

Oh wow, I hope I didn't offend you-I wasn't even trying, it's I never know where I'm messaging to. And your pretty close with that date, I thought I remembered either 1633 or 34, but your correct as to yes-it was then and there, ;) remember, we have those pesky relatives we share...
Somehow I have this skewed idea. As it was then-men kinda ruled the world that we could see. Women were pushed to the rear of the ship-BUT I bet they ran the world at home!!!). Truly a sad state of affairs. The skewed idea was that they had to much time on their hands, they did the things to survive here, got married, had children, lot's and lot's of children, and kept records. Short version-eat, sleep, have children, repeat...and write it down somewhere. I do know it was not that simple, but yet again, simpler than today, but had aspects that would kill you dead. God had told someone to go forth and multiply, and boy did they.
I look open ended first-everything there. Some records will-not saying Tomasin will but-come from private collections at some point and thats where I hope to find something on this side of the world. They are releasing more stuff from Parrish's in England, and it's worth the look for me.
And then the eventuality of never finding anything more, OK, but I still feel the need to check things. And the other reality, I don't think it would be so at this time, the wrong person has been tagged as her, and something somewhere might shake that loose too. I keep hearing it's a self correcting tree, I don't really understand it, but that would mean it is already connected 100% and does not vary. I still can't get that to set right in my thinking. If we are building it then it can't be self correcting. My Heritage...was OK until I did the Big Y at FTDNA. But that tree, which is just a work tree to me, I've took 2 people out before to see what it did, and it did not correct itself, I did after watching 2 people for 3 months.
Chicken pox...I found an article where yes, half of a family wiped out over a 2 week period, was an eye opener when I found it.
I gotta run
it was good talking
Rusty

11/14/2021 at 10:59 AM

The “ and write it down somewhere” really didn’t happen much, I don’t think. Genealogy was a rich man’s hobby; some of the original colonists may have been leaving their origins in Europe behind for religious or others reasons - or there was no one left anyway. (see the family of John Harvard, for instance, wiped out in plagues.). And there’s the survival rate of 400 year old pieces of paper.

Geni is not auto corrected, all members need to help,

Glad to see you checking. It sounds like you’ve read your Tocqueville.

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