Jan Wouterszen Van Iselsteyn - figuring out Iselsteyn relationships in New Netherland

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4.12.2017 в 4:32 до полудня

~• wiki tree states that Jan wouterszen is the sname person as Jan Willemszen.... I cannot be certain for the following reason. Look at these two baptisms in the DRC. Even the wives names are different

1655 Jul 18; Jan Wouterszen Van Iselsteyn, Willemtje Willems; Machtelt; Johanna Verleth
1669 Jun 24; Jan Willemsz Yselsteyn, Willemtje Jans; Cornelis; Cornelis Janszen, Metje Jans
for this reason I am entering two Jan Iselsteyn men on GENi. After all, Iselsteyn is a place name, not a surname...

FOR THAT MATTER: Look at all the various Van Iselstyns. I cannot see how they all originated form one immigrant couple... Notice in particular that there is another Van Iselsteyn son of Wouter who married in NA in 1641. This may serve to suggest that Jan Wouterszen had a brother Egbert and is indeed a different man than Jan Willems van Iselsteyn. Another oversight (or typo) is that in the WIKITREE profile, Jan Willems Van Iselsteyn is referenced to a work that indicated that he married in 1664 (!) after the birth of all several of his children:

Marriages

1641 01 Sep; Egbert Wouters, jm van Yselsteyn; Engel Jan van Breestede, wid Jan Janszen[6]
1646 10 Dec; Pieter Laurenszen, jm van Yselsteyn; Belitgen Hendricks, jd van Amsterdam[6]
1649 14 Feb; Pieter Laurens, jm van Yselsteyn; Marritie Pieters, van der Burg, op Tessel[6]
1661 24 Jun; Michael Croes, van Danswyck; Jannetje Theunis, van Iselsteyn, op Goemoenepa[6]
1676 02 Feb; Jan Smeedes, wid Lysbeth Michielszen; Machtelt Jans van Yselsteyn, jd van N. Yorke, beyde woonende tot N. Yorke[6]
1725 26 Nov; Ysaak Yselsteyn, jm, born Kingstown, liv Claverack; Rachel Bogaard, jd, liv Marbletown. [5]
Baptisms

Father,[comma] Mother;[semicolon] Child;[semicolon] Witnesses
1650 May 22; Jan Willemszen Yselsteyn; Geertruyd; Adriaen Van Ilpendam, Sara du Trieux[12]
1655 Jul 18; Jan Wouterszen Van Iselsteyn, Willemtje Willems; Machtelt; Johanna Verleth
1658 Feb 20; Jan Willemszen Van Yselsteyn, Willemtje Willems; Willem; Guilliam Verleth[12]
1661 Nov 30; Jan Willemse Van Iselsteyn, Willemtie Jans; Jacomyntie; Elsje Van Ruvenkam[12]
1669 Jun 24; Jan Willemsz Yselsteyn, Willemtje Jans; Cornelis; Cornelis Janszen, Metje Jans[12]
1677 Mar 28; Johannes Smeddes, Machtelt Jans Iselsteyn; Jacob; Abraham Lambertszen Mol, Willemtie Van Leyden[12]
~• note Willemtie Van Leyden is said to be a wife of Jan Woutertszen (see 1655 Jul 18)
1683 Feb 11; Jacob Bruyn, Geertruy Iselsteyn; Hester; Jan Smedes, Maria ten Eyck[13]
1684 Aug 31; Jan Smeedes, Machtel Iselsteyn; Willem; Willem Iselsteyn, Maria Iselsteyn[13]
1687 Feb 13; Jan Smeedes, Machtel Iselsteyn; Josua; Walrand du Mon, Grietie[13]
1703 Mar 28; Jacob Yselsteyn, Catalyntie Van Deurse; Helena; Sampson Benson, Aeltie Van Deurse[12]
1706 Mar 17; Jan Post, Cornelia Yselsteyn; Jan; Jan Lesier, Jannetie Francoise[13]
1707 Oct 19; Zacharias Hofman, Hester Bruyns; Maria; Severyn ten Hout, Geertruyd Yselsteyn[13]
1711 Jun 24; Ysaak Van Deusen, Bata Yselsteyn; Lena; Thomas Jansz, Mayke Bogaard[13]
1711 Dec 09; Jan Post, Cornelia Eyselsteyn; Marthen; Joris Middag, Aaltjen Bogaart[13]
1714 Dec 19; Jan Post, Cornelia Eyselsteyn; Ysaak; Ariaan Nieuw kerk, Cateleyntjen ten Broek[13]
1715 Oct 16; Jacob Yselsteyn, Catlyntje Van Deursen; Matheus; Matheus Bensing & wife Catharina Provoost[12]
1716 Apr 22; Isack Van Deusen, Bata; Cornelis Andriessen; Willem Yselsteyn, Lybetie Van Deusen[3]
1718 Feb 09; Jan Post, Cornelia Eyselsteyn; Jannetjen; Thomas Jansz, Maayke Bogaard[13]
1720 Jun 05; Gloudy Lameeter, Christina Legget; Jacobus; Jacobus Lameeter, Geertruy Eyselsteyn[13]
1721 Jan 18; Willem Iselsteyn, Feytie; Jannetie; Johannes and Maria Van Vegten[3]
1722 Sep 23; Isack Van Deusen, Batha; Tryntie; Isack Yselsteyn, Engeltie Van Ness[3]
1724 Oct 28; Alexander Thomson, Bata Iselsteyn; Willem; Harme Bensen, Marytje wife of Samson Bensen[12]
1729 Oct 12; Jacobus Eyselsteyn, Magdaleena Bradet; Cornelia; David Yselsteyn, Nenny Bradet[13]
1733 Jun 24; Ysaak Yselsteyn, Rachel Boogaard; Neeltjen; Anthony Slegt, Neeltjen Bogaard[13]
1733 Sep 09; Ary Oosterhout, Apolonia Roosekrans; Annaatjen; Harmanus Roosekrans, Helena Roosekrans, Ysaak Yselsteyn, Rachel Bogaard[13]
1733 Sep 09; Ary Oosterhout, Apolonia Roosekrans; Apalonia; Harmanus Roosekrans, Helena Roosekrans, Ysaak Yselsteyn, Rachel Bogaard[13]
1734 Apr 14; Jacob Yselsteyn, Magdalena Bradeth; Cornelis; Isaak Ysesteyn, Rachel Bogaard[13]
1736 May 16; Isaak Yselsteyn, Rachel Bogaard; Bata; Thomas Jansz, Maayke Bogaard[13]
1741 Oct 25; Jacob Iselsteyn, Magdalena Bradeth; Maria; Johannes Iselsteyn, Maria Vredenburg[13]
[3] albany_baptisms 1
[6] na_marriages_1639-1801 1
[12] na_baptisms_1639-1730 4
[13] kingston_baptisms 4

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Iselsteyn-1

Private User
4.12.2017 в 4:33 до полудня
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4.12.2017 в 4:50 до полудня

Another technicality concerning the child Machtelt bap. 1655; mar. Smeddes.. and had a child Jacob... It seems that Machtelt's mother Willemtje Willems Van Leyden stood witness to this baptism. If she was "van Leyden" (coming from Leyden) . perhaps this differentiates her from Willemtje Jans... who, by inference, did not.. (?)
===Baptisms===

#1655 Jul 18; Jan''' ''Wouterszen''''' Van Iselsteyn, Willemtje '''Willems'''; Machtelt; Johanna Verleth

#1677 Mar 28; Johannes Smeddes, Machtelt Jans Iselsteyn; Jacob; Abraham Lambertszen Mol, Willemtie ''Van Leyden''[12]

##''~• note Willemtie ''Van Leyden'' is said to be a wife of Jan '''Woutertszen''' (see 1655 Jul 18)''

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4.12.2017 в 4:57 до полудня

Machtelt Janse Van Iselsteyn is key to this discussion as she was baptized at least earlier (14 years) than various other New Netherland van Iselsteyns

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