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Started by Magnus Eriksson on Friday, November 17, 2017
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I use this nice tool quite often to check the completeness of the tree for my DNA matches. I have a few question on future development plans:

1. Any plans to extend the limit of 10 ancestor generations?
2. Why does the tool so seldom show birth place? On what format should the birth place be entered to be shown?
3. Why is it problematic to save it as a non-cropped image? Automatic size would perhaps solve the problem.
4. Names of hidden profiles should of course not be shown, but if the parent is a hidden profile, the tool currently won't even show an empty place holder for that parent, and it does not show the public profiles of the grand parents, etc. Would it be possible to address this issue?

1) For the graph, no, as the density for the graph becomes too great. Geni does offer a report that can do up to 20. https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/
2) People don't often enter the place field and it's not auto-filled when you enter a location. It's accessible when you expand the details of the location on Geni.
3). It's difficult as the graph is a SVG image (math based) and it has to try and save it as a bitmap style (pixel based). Often the backend has trouble timing the completion of that conversion.
4). The tool only has permission to query what you as a user have permission to access via the API. If you don't have permission for a profile, the tool can't query the relationships of that profile to further expand it in any way.

Jeff,

Would it be possible for you to make an export to a clickable bitmap?
With 10 generations it may be difficult to click even when fully zoomed in, but with fewer generations, it would be nice if it was possible.

re: locations as shown in the Descendant / Ancestor graphs

The graphing does not attempt to "parse" the "Place" field when it contains "all" the location information; those profiles should be edited to expand into the detail location fields. Then the graph will find the Country and State fields to be able to show "change colors" for them.

I'll sometimes use the graph to help quickly identify the profiles which either have an "unexpanded" location or are completely missing a location when most of the siblings do have a location. Hold the "X" key and click on a graphed sector to go to (open) the selected profile to expand (or hopefully find) the location into the detail fields.

If you one day update this tool, please add "circa" or "c." in front of approximative years.

Thankyou Jeff for the prompt response on my previous four questions above. I still think issue number 4 in my previous message - anonymous placeholders for hidden profiles -
would be possible and helpful. In the Geni flash tree, hidden profiles are shown with anonymous placeholders rather than cutting a whole branch from the tree.

Magnus Eriksson SmartCopy should put a circa in front of approximate dates, so if you have an example where it's not picking up that information, please post a link if it's something that I can access.

For number 4, if the API doesn't provided the relationship and profiles, SmartCopy can't place hidden placeholders as it doesn't know that they exist. What is available in the Geni tree is not always accessible from the API.

Jeff. The earliest members of the medieval Bure family should have approximate dates. http://historylinktools.herokuapp.com/graph?profile=profile-g600000... . Compare with https://www.geni.com/list/descendants/6000000016188978232#11 where the approximate dates are indicated.

When you are doing an Ancestor Graph, what does it mean when one of your ancestors comes up the color Red saying access denied?

What does that mean and how do I change it?

re: Access Denied

One approach is to go to (Hold "X" key and click on it in the graph or 'tree' list) the profile of a child. Then, provide that link in the 'Curators, please help..." discussion asking that the status of the parent be investigated. If that ancestor is born before 1900, it most likely will be updated (there are exceptions, but very few).

re: Circa

Remember that in Geni the use of the "Circa" tick-box is interpreted as exactly +/- 5 years. Some "sources", such as Census records, often specify 'circa' when there is only a year shown ... but that year is most often only +0/- 1, not 5, and would be more accurately be put in Geni as a "between YYYY-1 and YYYY". But the HistoryLink tools (Search and Graphing) will only reflect what is in the profiles. If it doesn't seem right, fix the profiles.

re:Circa.

I am not talking about the pie chart, but the list below the chart. Sorry if I was not clear on this. I was critized for spreading a list of with thousands of people in the pre-census time Bure geneaology, giving the impression that the exact birth years were known although they are estimates. The profiles are correctly marked with "Circa": The Geni list is also correctly showing the "circa".

Ahhh, your request wasn't clear to me, either.

You'd like the date on the profile shown in the lists with a "c." when the Geni profile is not listed as "Exact" ... I would think that "Between" and "Circa" could both be shown with a "c." -- with perhaps "Before" as "<" and "After" as ">" ??? (using "b." for Before could be confused with "born"; perhaps "e." for earlier, "a." for after?)

I've added various indicators to the graph / tree list. If there is a circa, it will prefix "c.". If there is a before "bf.", after "af.", between "bt.". If it contains two, such as before circa yyyy, it would look like "bf.c.1504".

I'll note that it does not properly handle between dates. So you'll just get the first year, something like "bt.1310".

re: between. First date is fine. The recommended "best practice" is to put the "more likely" date first -- even if it is not chronologically the earliest date. Geni does not "sort" the Between dates.

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