Thomas Holcombe - Thomas Holcombe

HI
That is great news!! By the way I too am related to the Messengers.

I just reread the overview notes.

McCracken wrote several articles debunking royal ancestry. You would need to take those on.

I should also say that Winthrop was a big snob and catered to "the upper classes." (Naming his flagship The Lady Arabella for instance as a coup in getting her on board). If there had been anyone else in his company with royal ancestry I think he would have said so.

Dear Erica, I strongly doubt that Thomas Holcombe claimed to be descendant of Edward I so Winthrop had little way to know.

What I'm saying is that if there was descent from a notable family Winthrop would have known and conducted himself accordingly.

Also check the resources here

https://www.geni.com/projects/New-England-Gateway-Ancestors-of-Prov...

As of 2015 Robert Charles Anderson, Fellow of the American Society of Genealogist and author of the Great Migration Publications lists the origins and parents of Thomas Holcombe as unknown. The theory about Gilbert Holcombe was debunked long ago. Gilbert Holcombe left no heirs. Any children he had died before he did. Jesse Seaver thought that English records indicated that Thomas Holcomb was born in Pembrokeshire, Wales or Devonshire, England to Ann and Gilbert Holcomb. Several of Seaver's contemporary researchers agreed with him. A disagreement appeared recently; George McCraken writing in The American Genealogist, 26:109 found that Gilbert Holcomb's noncupative will of 14 October 1623 stated d.s.p. which meant died without issue and that Gilbert left his estate to his brother-in-law, Richard Bonithon. McCraken's research is based on J.L. Vivian's, The Visitations of the County Devon, on pages 474 and 533. Quote from Vivian, page 474, "The Holcombe of Hull . . . The portion of this pedigree from the connencement printed in ordinary type is from Pole land Westcote; that printed in italic is from The Visitation of Devon 1564, Harlequin.Mss. 1080, fo. 403, 1091, fo, 42, b, and 5840, fo.52." However, Richard Bonithon himself died before execution of the will and his next of kin was nephew John Bonithon (Bonython). Note Douglias Richardson also did not include him in his list of immigrants of known noble descent either. Which is why his profile is in Spurious Pedigrees Project and not in New England Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent Project:

https://www.geni.com/projects/New-England-Gateway-Ancestors-of-Prov...

See also: Deanna Holcomb Bowman Thomas Holcomb and other Simsbury, Connecticut Settlers, Vol. I:Pgs. 1-5; Vol. II:Pg. 167

That doesn't mean that he could not be related via one of Gilbert's cousins. It just means we don't know if he is or how.

I think the profile ought to have the parents detached.

Thanks, Paulo!

I, too, would like to see good evidence of Thomas Holcombe's ancestry.

I'm also very curious of the provenance of this plaque fragment in Australia - how did it end up there? Indeed, what is the provenance of the plaque above the tomb of Sir John de Holcombe - when was it placed there?

Isn't there also some question that the effigy in Dorchester Abbey is Sir John de Holcombe, and today is thought to be Sir William de Valence the Younger?
(http://www.dorchester-abbey.org.uk/historical-tour/)

Today, where is this Holcombe lineage plaque; and where is this plaque fragment, reportedly listing Thomas Holcomb's name?

Dear Korey, the message says that that part of the plaque was taken out of England by a brother of Gilbert who emigrated and whose descendants eventually ended up in Australia. The man who posted Lorin Snyder's note says he has lost contact with her.

I can understand this is a hard one for people to let go of because of the connection to royalty.

For what it's worth I did a lot of research into the Holcombe family in July & August last year. I use primary documentation where possible.

I found there was no mention of any children anywhere in the documents for Gilbert Holcombe.

The document's I found are at the top of the about section on Gilbert's profile
Gilbert Holcombe, gent.

If that mysterious piece of the plaque resurfaces it would need to be authenticated as it could be a modern fake.

If you're referring to the Mary and John as Winthrop's ship, I wasn't aware that there was any proof that Thomas Holcombe made the passage on that particular ship.

He's on the "probable passenger" listing for the Mary & John (see the project page)

https://www.geni.com/projects/Great-Migration-Passengers-of-the-Mar...

@Paulo where do you live? Would it be helpful to look thru the archives that are in Windsor from the original settlers? I live in town and have access to the Historical society. Would they be more documents in England?

Patricia sorry I am just a amateur I don't do any research I just report other's findings.

Also http://www.holcombegenealogy.com/data/p3.htm#i111 indicates that a researcher suggests that Thomas was son of Gilbert's brother Christopher.

Also http://www.holcombegenealogy.com/data/p3.htm#i111 indicates that a researcher suggests that Thomas was son of Gilbert's brother Christopher.

Tagging brother Christopher Holcombe

@Paulo Understand, I am a beginner.