William Harris, of Southminster & Willingdale Doe - @William Harris, of Southminster & Willingham Doe

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Private User
10/11/2017 at 8:29 AM

FYI, the seven articles written by Phil Harris in 2001are now completely refuted by him. At the time this proposed lineage of Robert Harris was suggested, there was no DNA testing of direct male Harris descendants. However in the past 15 years there have been scores of direct male Harris descendants of both Maj Robert Harris and this William Harris that have had their yDNA tested at Family Tree DNA. Their test results show that the marker values for the descendants of Robert Harris and the descendants of William Harris do not match indicating that they were not related. Furthermore, the haplogroup of Robert Harris of R1b1 does not match the haplogroup of William Harris of I1a1, proving conclusively that they had no common direct male Harris ancestor within thousands of years, back to pre-recorded history when these haplogroups were formed in different parts of the world. At the time Phil wrote these articles he did not believe that the wife of Maj Robert Harris was a Mary Claiborne Rice but has lately changed his mind on that too. Phil never intended for these articles to be published as they were posted on a private mailing list and were automatically copyrighted to him as his intellectual property under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. TMK, no one has ever researched each of the generations back from Robert Harris d1701 to this William Harris of Southminster to prove each generation is correct. Some have claimed this lineage is correct but have never shown any direct documentary evidence. DNA has already proven this lineage is impossible.

Private User
10/14/2017 at 7:19 AM

To be more specific, the living male direct Harris descendants of Maj Robert Harris are in our FTDNA Harris Project Group 6 that have Haplogroup R-M269. The living male Harris descendants of Sir William Harris d1616, grandson of William Harris by his 1st wife Joanna Cooke, are in our FTDNA Harris Project Group 4 that have mostly I-M253 Haplogroup. A haplogroup type is past down from father to son to son ad infinitum forever, so no one with an R haplogroup can ever share a common direct male Harris ancestor with someone with an I haplogoup. This proves conclusively that the William Harris who married Jane Semer, son of William Harris who married first to Joanna Smythe, would have been a haplogroup I-M253 as would his proven son William Harris. I have seen no documentation to support that this last William Harris was the same exact person who married a Joane Hardings.

10/14/2017 at 12:14 PM

I take it this affects children shown of his son William Harris, of Willingale Doe

Can you advise please which need to be disconnected from parents as their own lines and which should stay linked to unknown (?) parents as siblings ?

Private User
10/14/2017 at 1:19 PM

As I have said before, the linkage of the William Harris who married Ellen Burrows is not proven to parents William Harris who married Joan Harding, who is not proven to the William Harris who married Jane Semer. One or both of these connections to parent is impossible due to DNA. Phil Harris is no longer researching this line since he found his correct lineage wasn't to Robert Harris d1701.

10/14/2017 at 1:57 PM

That helps. Will work on those 2 and advise when done.

Private User
10/14/2017 at 3:30 PM

Now convincing the Findagrave manager that shows the two lines connected that this is wrong is the next problem.

Private User
10/15/2017 at 6:21 PM

Showing them with NN Parents still leaves the data of their names and dates in the 'About' sections as shown in the Plil Harris report of 2001 which he now states that they are no proven relationships and therefore the dates shown probably belong to other unrelated William Harrises in Essex. His best guess is that there were over two dozen Harris lines in Essex by the 1500's, which may or may not have been related further back. This article of Phil Harris should be removed. I have already reported it to him weeks ago.

10/15/2017 at 6:33 PM

Please feel free to edit the profile overviews; if not, please bear with my schedule.

Private User
10/16/2017 at 2:35 PM

As far as I know, I do not have editing privileges on Geni.

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