Julius Klauber - Was Julius a butcher in Luka/Luck ?

Started by Timothy Matthijs Ottevanger on Friday, September 29, 2017
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9/29/2017 at 1:22 PM

Visited Luka/Luck a year ago as my wife's ancestors (Buxbaums) came from there. Saw the remains of a shop with the name Julius Klauber over it and the words Fleischhauer und Selcher underneath. This man was clearly a butcher. Is he the same Julius as on rhis site. The dates would suggest so.

I'd like to attach the photo but don't think this is possible

4/8/2021 at 8:24 AM

Hello, Timothy,
My Grandfather was Julius Klauber of Luka/Luck. He was the butcher and this was his shop. I think he probably made slated meats ( Selcher) as well as selling fresh meat. He delivered meat on his horse and cart and apparently ( My cousin Harry Rich ( Reich) b 1910 of Sydney Australia says) the horse knew the rote- and Julius had a glass of schnapps or equivalent at every stop on the route! I have his wedding photograph with his wife Pavla Klauber. he was born in 1868 and died around 1932. They had a lot of children of whom 4 survived to adulthood and the youngest ( Trude) died in 1942 in Auschwitz. Her mother, Pavla survived Teresin and came to the UK to join her son Franz, my father, in 1946. She died a year later. I have photos of the butcher's shop and I am so pleased to read that you saw it in 1917. Best wishes and greetings to your wife, Trudy Klauber

4/14/2021 at 3:24 PM

Hello Trudy. I have just seen your message (I don't check on the Geni site very often) and what a surprise! Accordng to Geni you are related to my wife Kate (Catherine)9 as you are her first cousin thrice removed's husband's great niece. Her greatgrandmother Louise Rosenberger's second cousin was Irma Hirsch (1878-1954). Irma's sister in law (Albert Hirsch's sister) was your grandmother Pauline. So you and Kate are not blood relatives but linked all the same. And your father settled in Darlington where he practised as a doctor. Did he arrive in the UK after the war with his mother or did he get here before, like Kate's parents, and then bring her over afterwards when she had by a miracle survived? Geni tells me your mother was English born.

Have you visited Luck/Luka? 2016 was our 2nd time there, when I took the photo of your grandfather's shop. It is amazing that the sign has survived, first his death, then the war and then the population changes, as the Sudeten Germans were driven out in 1945 and replaced by Czechs. Can I send you a copy (I'll need your email address) or do you have it already? Mine is ottevanger43@gmail.com

We went to Luck/Luka to trace family roots after Kate edited her grandmother's (daughter of Louise) recently discovered wartime letters from occupied Prague prior to her deportation. Subsequently published in 2019 under the title 'Live and Love in Nazi Prague: letters from an occupied city', by Marie Bader (Bloomsbury Press).

Do you live in the Darlington area? We are in Leicestershire.

Hope to hear from you. Best wishes, Tim

4/15/2021 at 9:08 AM

Trudy, I have just looked back at old messages on Geni and saw that I was in a message exchange about Julius with George Rothe in 2017. He said he would forward the photo of the shop to you. He also told me a bit about your father and how his first wife perished in the Holocaust and how he and most of his siblings escaped in 1939, that he remarried and had a daughter. He said that you had also been to Luck and saw the shop entrance. And now we are in touch! Tim

4/25/2021 at 2:29 AM

Tim, yes and yes. And my Father had me, the daughter, and 2 brothers David and John.
All best,
Trudy

4/25/2021 at 2:30 AM

Sadly my photo is on a film print not digital.

4/25/2021 at 2:40 AM

Dear Tim,
This is great to have a connection! We aren’t so numerous after all. My grand mother Paula Klauberova (Hirsch) had left Luka for Prague. It seems she and her youngest daughter my aunt Trude, were arrested and either both taken to Theresienstadt one Trude then to Auschwitz, or they were immediately separated. Trude was murdered in Auschwitz. Her husband had got to Uk hoping to buy her a visa. She wrote some letters to her sister Gusti who was by then in NY with her husband via Luxembourg and Paris. I should get Trude’s letters translated but have not up to now been able to face the contents. Everyone tried so hard to get them out of Prague- to no avail. I would love a digital photo of my grandfather’s shop sign.
Sadly the family house fell down in the 1960s or thereabouts.
All good wishes
Trudy (London and Aldeburgh)

4/26/2021 at 11:56 AM

I will send you my photo if George did not do so but I will need an email address if you are prepared to give it. This message exchange is not accessible to others. The title of my wife's edition of her grandmother 's letters is 'Life and Love in Nazi Prague...', not 'Live and Love...'. Sorry about the typo.

4/26/2021 at 12:03 PM

Maybe this exchange is not private. Have you a work/ professional email address? Tim

5/4/2021 at 11:17 AM

Hello Tim. Thank you. My email address is tklauber@tavi-port.nhs.uk

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