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John de Beauchamp - 3 different John de Beuchamps?

Started by Bill Barnes on Friday, September 15, 2017

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Sir John de Beauchamp, First Lord de Beauchamp, Baron of Kidderminster

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Bill Barnes

9/15/2017 at 11:02 AM

This entry shows this John is the son of Richard de Beuchamp who was born in 1435:
Sir Richard Beauchamp, 2nd Baron Beauchamp of Powick

So this JOhn can't have been born in the 1300s.

The John de Beauchamp who was executed in 1388:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Beauchamp,_1st_Baron_Beaucham...

and buried in Worcester Cathedral:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=89267814

was the son of a Richard de Beauchamp, just not this one.
http://www.thepeerage.com/p11859.htm#i118583

The Peerage gives that Richard as an ancestor of William:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p11857.htm#i118565

This William on here
William de Beauchamp, IV, Lord of Elmley Castle

With the line of descent:

John (d 1297)
Richard (d 1327)

Oddly they have that John (d 1297) mentioned in the overview but he isn't in the mess of children assigned up William, possibly because of the mega merge causing confusion.

What is unclear is if this entry belongs to a John de Beauchamp who was born in the 1400s or if it (and his parents?) should be cut and moved to a new branch descending from John (d. 1297)?

I'll leave it to someone else to figure this one out.

Carolina Elena Barillas

9/21/2017 at 5:58 PM

I am a descendant of Sir Richard...I hope someone can figure it out. Are you a descendant as well?

Anne Brannen C

9/22/2017 at 2:05 AM

Thanks for bringing this to our attention! I'm on it.

Anne Brannen C

9/22/2017 at 2:57 AM

John is tidied up for now , and had s Richard for a father. I'm not seeing any more information on his father; that's as far as I can go for now, though we may find something later.

Bill Barnes

9/25/2017 at 1:52 PM

Anne: Thanks for that. I can add the rest of his family in from here.

Carolina: I'm not related, but was trying to track down the other victims of the Merciless Parliament, after coming across Sir James Berners who is at the point where the Berners family transitioned into Barneses. I'm not sure it is my Barneses, as the paper trail is stuck in Ireland, but the DNA tracks back to east of London, which is where the Berners come from, so I am doing some digging into their family if only in an attempt to separate out the various Barnes lines in the area (if they are separate I suppose).

Bill Barnes

9/25/2017 at 2:01 PM

Oh and I'm removing him from the group "People executed on order of English monarchs" as he, and the others, were executed by Parliament because he was so close to the King.

Cuzzin Ñoño

3/7/2019 at 12:04 PM

Whew! What a mess that was to clean up! Thank you all!

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