Sir Henry de Baliol of Cavers - Sir Henry de Baliol of Cavers Death: 1246

Interesting! And fair enough bro. I guess you have your reasons. I don't know a lot about the Scotts/Baloil/Baillie family but I do find it interesting to learn about. Including hearing differing sides to the story.

This Source says Henry died 1245

A Companion and Key to the History of England: Consisting of Copious ...

Link
https://books.google.ca/books?id=H78IAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA492&lpg=...

link to different issue of same book

https://books.google.ca/books?id=cCBkAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA492&lpg=...

I Have posted a couple of sources in under the source Tab for Henry de Baliol's Profile for death year on says 1245 the other 1246
Erica your Junk Stirnet source did not even have a death date for Henry so how dare you argue with me about who William Balliol le Scot's father is, this is why i disconnected my line from this Henry and the Garbage stirnet source of yours that you have duplicated on the Wikipedia site that should never be used as a source for ancestry i might add. and the comment in the stirnet source about William Balliol le Scot and Alexander, There is more than one Alexander he also had a son Alexander and John's Father's name is John.
at the top of the stirnet source ill quote
"The sources we have found for this family support and contradict each other as shown
below." Lol there is only one source in it, the lives of Baillies as the other one can no longer be found.

"Sir Henry de Baliol of Cavers, Chamberlain of Scotland
m. Lora de Valoniis (dau of William de Valoniis)
(1) Guy de Baliol (d Evesham 1265)
(2) Sir Alexander de Baliol of Cavers (and Chilham), Chamberlain of
Scotland (d before 06.1311)
TCP (Balliol of Cavers) points out that the common notion that this Alexander was a
younger brother of King John Baliol is erroneous.
m. (c1270) Isabel de Chilham (b after 1245, d by 01.05.1292, dau of Richard
de Dover of Chilham)
(A) Sir Thomas de Baliol of Cavers possibly father or grandfather of ...
(i) Sir Thomas de Baliol of Cavers
(ii) Isabel de Baliol
m. Ranald More
(B) Sir Henry Baliol, 1st of Hoprig
(C) William Baillie, 2nd of Hoprig
m. ?? Wallace (dau of Sir William Wallace, the patriot)
(i) Sir William Baillie of Hoprig and Lamington (a 1357) --
m. Isabella Seton (dau of Sir William Seton of Seton) --
(3) William de Baliol 'le Scot' (b c1251, d c1313, Chamberlain of Scotland)
William is sometimes identified as brother of King John (above). This is
thought to be because he is known to have been a brother of Alexander of Cavers, the
Page 2
Untitled
Chamberlain, and Alexander is sometimes erroneously described as brother rather than
cousin of King John."
what a crock of Garbage to assume Henry is William Baliol le Scot's Father from that
stirnet sources quoted below just for laughs Lives of Baillies should really only be used for the Baillie Family not the Baliol Family

"Main source(s):
(1) BE1883 (Baliol), 'Lives of the Baillies' by James William Baillie, published in
Edinburgh 1872
(2) http://jarnou.free.fr/debailleul.html (03.05.15 check: this site can no longer
be found)"

Private User Crikey i'm confused! So i'm a Coventry Bailey (going back to Long Lawford) and i'm trying to track back during the 1700's currently as to whether this branch hails from Preston Capes in Daventry or further back in Warwickshire. I came here looking to try and get some idea of the early migration paths of Baileys but I really don't understand how the Bailey family (with various spellings) fit in here. Are you saying Bailey/Bailie et al is a corruption of de baliol? Thanks.