Capt. Jabez Olmsted - Y-DNA

Bonnie,
My thoughts exactly! I was very doubtful when I saw I2a1 as the posted results for this line because of the Jabez Y-DNA results. I even requested that the haplogroup be removed from my line.

I believe my Olmstead line to be R1b1a2 based on the fact that my line is historically "Scandinavian".

We need to have someone tested to disprove the I2a1 results because I don't believe it.

kind regards,
katherine

Hi Katherine,

Thanks for your message. Can you tell me the origin of the Scandinavian origin story about Jabez' origins?

Also, do you know whether there is currently any web page about him? It's a shame that the old one is no longer up.

Bonnie

Bonnie,
Greetings! First, let me acknowledge that I have Googled your name - and found that you are an independent DNA researcher, this makes you the expert and not me.

There is not a lot to go on when researching the Olmstead line. So I've been treating the genealogy of this line much like an investigation - trying to put it all together like a puzzle - putting pieces that I find together to form a big picture.

In short, what I have found is that the Olmstead family all trace back to England. The family was already present in England when the Norman Conquest happened. The Olmstead name originates from a place called "Almesteda" in Essex, England. According to the Doomsday Book, Almesteda was originally held by a man named Robert fitz Wimarc, a Norman noble. I believe that the Olmstead family descends from him, and this is where I am at in my own independent research of this family. (Long story made short.)

Getting back to Jabez Olmsted: I "assumed" that Moses was his father because when you look at the whole genealogical line - you'll find that the line is all named after of people which were taken from the Bible.

The lines that I have are thus: (All names were taken from the Bible)
Jedediah Olmsted, Jr., Jedediah Olmsted, Sr., Jeremiah Olmsted, Capt. Jabez Olmsted,
Moses Olmsted, Jeremiah Olmsted, Israel Olmsted,Richard "Job" (Job) Olmsted.

1. These names seem to fit the old fashioned pattern of choosing names from the Bible.
2. Jabez has a son named "Moses". I don't see it as a coincidence, but as a pattern.
3. The names of ALL of Jabez' children were also taken from the Bible.

Children of Jabez Olmsted and Thankful Barnes

Thankful Olmsted b. 15 Feb 1713

*Jeremiah Olmsted+ b. 16 Jun 1714

*Israel Olmsted+ b. 24 Mar 1716

*Hannah Olmsted b. 22 Apr 1718

*Martha Olmsted b. 16 Feb 1721, d. 3 Jan 1744

*Dorcas Olmsted b. 15 Apr 1724

*Sarah Olmsted b. 24 May 1726

Silence Olmsted b. 30 Nov 1728

*Abigail Olmsted b. 24 Mar 1731

*Prudence Olmsted b. 28 Oct 1733

*Moses Olmsted+ b. 29 Jan 1736, d. 26 Sep 1795

I am sending to you a page from a book called, "Olmsted Family Genealogy". It says that a family member had named Moses as the father of Jabez.

https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000031905661403&

Please let me know what your thoughts on this are, as I am open minded and willing to see other views. I did however come up with the same overall conclusion as you when determining that the "I2a1" haplogroup is perhaps false!

Have a nice weekend!

Kind regards,
katherine

Bonnie,
I want to elaborate on what I wrote above:
I sent you to a page from the "Olmsted Family Genealogy". It says that a close family member had named Moses as the father of Jabez. The book says that the man, named Emery Olmsted had made the statement above, and that he was at an advanced age.
Here is his genealogy, in descending order:

Moses Olmsted b. 1666 - 1688
Jabez Olmsted b. 1691 - 1752
Israel Olmsted b. 1731 - 1806
Timothy Olmsted b. 1744 - 1812
Emery Olmsted b. 1797

According to this genealogy, Emery Olmsted was quite close to Jabez Olmsted, historically. Jabez Olmsted was his great grandfather. I believe him when he says that Moses was Jabez' father; he is the oldest, most reliable witness to this fact.

Please share your thoughts.....

kindly,
katherine

Thank you all for your contributions. I'm sorry that I disappeared, not realizing that so much good discussion was going on here.

I have, since then, learned a lot more.

No, I don't have any good clues about who Jabez' father was. Someday we may be able to determine that, but in the meantime, there is much to do.

We have a very unusual Graham Y-DNA line, descended from Lewis Graham, b 1795, that matches no other Grahams. Or it didn't, until just recently. I discovered that there is one other man with this surname who matches us. But virtually all of our other Y-DNA matches are Olmsteads, exclusively descendants of Jabez.

They indeed belong to the R1b haplogroup, and more interesting, my analysis indicates that they belong to a very rare and distinct branch of R1b.

I urge R1b Olmstead descendants who have their Y-DNA tested at FTDNA to join both of these projects, so we can better compare and see where they fit in:

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-basal-subclades/about/bac...

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r1b-s14328-genealogy/about

I believe the branch that both the Jabez Olmstead descendants belong to, as well as my particular line of Grahams, is within R-CTS4528, and its subgroup R-S14328, and specifically its far downstream sub-branch, R-BY25608.

We need male descendants of Jabez to have SNP tests done to confirm this!

The other major development is regarding the other Graham man who matches this type of R1b and my own cousin. The family tradition about our Lewis was that he was adopted, growing up in Pennsylvania. This other family has a tradition that their earliest known ancestor, John Graham b. 1790, was abandoned by his father in Pennsylvania. See:
http://www.ohbios.com/index.php/2015-04-18-14-28-52/1005-graham-milo-d

These two stories are intriguingly similar given their descendants' Y-DNA match (with some mismatching markers, but still definite).

There's another man contemporary with them, Porter W. Graham, who shares certain details which make me suspect he could be related to Lewis and John: Porter W. Graham

(Sadly, I can find neither Lewis nor John at Geni. I'll have to add Lewis, at least.)

We should be searching for any autosomal DNA matches of Jabez Olmstead descendants, who have any of these men in their trees.

I have no idea how the Olmstead Y-DNA apparently made its way into this Graham lineage, but perhaps an Olmstead fathered children who ended up being raised by their mother, whose surname was Graham?

But it's notable that in both the families descended from John, and from Porter Graham, it is said that they were born in New Hampshire, despite their having no known connections to that state.

At that time, Israel Olmstead, son of Jabez, had settled in about 1771 in Grafton Co, New Hampshire and nearby areas. He had many sons, some of whom also settled there in New Hampshire. There is at least the possibility that one of his descendants could have been the progenitor of some or all of these Grahams.

It has been said that Porter was a son of Jared Graham from Cumberland Co, PA, and they did indeed both live in the same county in Ohio in the 1830 census, but in Jared's will, he names six sons, none of them Porter. I checked the Y-DNA for Jared's descendants, and it appears to be quite different.

To me, the large number of Y-DNA matches of our Grahams with descendants of Jabez, speaks volumes. More Y-DNA test results from both Olmsteads and Grahams will be essential to someday solving this mystery.

I should add that there's a small, remote chance that Jabez, himself, was descended paternally from a rare branch of Grahams, and that the source of our matches predates the migration to America. But I suspect the odds are very much against it.