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JuDr. Karl Kraus - JuDr. Karl Kraus = duplicate, parents ?

Начал Peter Rohel (c) понедельник, 31 октября 2016
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Peter Rohel (c) C
31.10.2016 в 6:57 до полудня

Karl Kraus below = same person or not?
JuDr. Karl Kraus = son of Bernhard
JuDr. Karl Kraus = son of Josef

a) different parents
b) different birth dates

See Jean's note below - any Help clearing this up is appreciated.
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Jean Paul Magis wrote:
Dear all, I am very occasionnally doing with my genealogy. Geni is a great tool but as I started long time ago with a personnal software (Heredis); it is difficult to match the information. Receiving a last email though, I had a look at Karl Kraus file. From what I know, it is certain (from family memory) that Karl is Bernhard's son and not Joseph's. Hereunder is what I know about him (in french if you can read it)

Carl (Ou Karl) KRAUS voit le jour le lundi 10 août 1857. Il est le fils légitime de Bernhard (Ou Bernard) KRAUS, Médecin, âgé de 28 ans au moins et de Caroline KRAUS. Autre document sur lequel la date de naissance est 28/06/1857. Carl sera Docteur en droit.

Sa mère Caroline meurt le 2 février 1858, Carl est âgé de 5 mois.
Son père Bernhard meurt le 28 octobre 1887, Carl est âgé de 30 ans.
Le 10 janvier 1895 naît sa fille Henriette. Carl est âgé de 37 ans.
Le 20 juin 1897 naît sa fille Grete. Carl est âgé de 39 ans.
Le 28 avril 1901 naît sa fille Vilma. Carl est âgé de 43 ans.
Le 4 novembre 1903 son épouse Agnes meurt, Carl est âgé de 46 ans.

Leur mariage religieux est célébré à une date inconnue. Se seraient mariés un 11 Février.

Il s'unit avec Agnes STERN (1869-1903), la fille légitime de Eduard STERN et de Henriette RINDSKOPF. Ce couple aura trois enfants :
- Henriette née en 1895.
- Grete née en 1897.
- Vilma née en 1901.

Carl O. K. KRAUS est décédé le vendredi 1 juin 1917, à l'âge de 59 ans

Private User
31.10.2016 в 8:01 до полудня

These are TWO DIFFERENT Karls:
One born in Vienna, son of Bernhard and Karoline:
http://www.genteam.at/index.php?option=com_ikg_wien&id=169122&a...

and the 2nd born in Kolin 28 June 1857 to Josef and Amalie:
http://badatelna.eu/fond/1073/reprodukce/?zaznamId=1095&reproId...
Badatelna 1073 KOLÍN 824 N 1842-1864 (Image 166/267)
In the obituary of Agnes nee Stern wife of Karl (28.6.1857 from Kolin) mentioned her father in law as JOSEF.
So It seems someone mixed the information.

Private User
31.10.2016 в 9:48 до полудня

Peter Rohel (c)
I also found the birth record of Henriette the daughter of Karl and Agnes. Karl is definitely the son of Josef and Amalie.

Birth in Usti nad Labem:

ÚSTÍ NAD LABEM 2276 N 1893-1895 (image 24/39)

http://badatelna.eu/fond/1073/reprodukce/?zaznamId=3003&reproId...
Peter Rohel (c) C
31.10.2016 в 2:53 после полудня

Private User - good work finding sources :)
Without them & with obituaries only, it is easy to make the mistake - both being Dr.'s born in 1857.

ps. Agnes Kraus = has JuDr (lawyer) as suffix - any idea if that is correct ?
Rafi Kornfeld (c) C
31.10.2016 в 10:46 после полудня

Agnes Kraus (Stern) seems not to be a lawyer. The obituary says she was 34 and does not hint of her being a lawyer . But it does state very clearly that her husband is Advocat Ju.Dr.

Jean Paul Magis
1.11.2016 в 4:40 до полудня

Do you know if there is a link between these two Karls? I do not find the second one (the one born in Kölin) in my genealogy records, nor his father.
Your documents are fantastic, unfortunately I can't read german!
Alyson Breuer (Banks) PRO
3.11.2016 в 7:33 до полудня

Dear Peter and everyone:

It does seem that the two Karl Kraus profiles are of different people. In a fury of energy in 2011, inputting as many of the Rindskopf descendants whose names were available from your magnificent Rootsweb tree (as I understand it, based originally on Erich Rodek's hand-written family tree, updated chronologically over the 20C), I had no other means of actually verifying data, taking all on trust. However, with Jean Paul's account, which tallies with this information, and since the names are not uncommon, it could certainly be that each is a separate individual. Researchers more clued in than I am to record sources could dig for information to complete, if not verify the family descended from Bernard.

I would be happy to add the others mentioned, based on Jean Paul's text, or you may want to do it yourself if you are satisfied there is no duplication. Your eagle eye is invaluable in this context -- many congratulations on your ability to winkle out anomalies!

Regards to all!
Alyson
Peter Rohel (c) C
3.11.2016 в 12:16 после полудня

Alyson Breuer (Banks) - you wrote "I would be happy to add the others mentioned, based on Jean Paul's text".

As far as I know, they're all there see:
JuDr. Karl Kraus = son of Josef & Amalie Katz

ps. thanks for the kind words :)

Peter

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