What is needed: More information on the Janos Trencsanszky Weiss and Anna Bossanyi families.
Translation by Zsuzsa Racz, huntrans@adelphia.net, hungariantranslation.com:
"Certified Hungarian translation from Slovakian of the marriage certificate of I.A. and his wife, with detailed info about their parents. From its date (1940) I am sure it was requested to prove aria origins. The funny thing is what is does not say, his wife was Roman Catholic, her parents were noble judging from their surname but it does not say what was their religion though it should.
His baptismal record and also marriage certificate was unearthed in 1940-41 as I said before to prove Christian grandparents, if all four were proven Christians you were not a Jew."
Summary Hungarian translation of an original Slovakian marriage certificate
Made by the Royal Hungarian Ministry of Internal Affairs for military purposes, therefore free of duty
To the no. 16325/1941 file
No. 23/937
Copied from the Marriage Registry of the Roman Catholic Church in Rohov, year 1885, volume IV. Page 110:
Serial no. 49
The bride’s name and status:
Hermine Trencsanszky Weiss
Place of origin: Rochov
Address: Rochov
Religion: Roman Catholic
Age: 20 years
Marital status: unmarried
Name, status and religion of his parents:
Janos Trencsanszky Weiss, retired army captain; Anna Bossanyi
From Peter Rohel's web site:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/names/frie...
Hermine Trencsanszky WEISZ 1885 changed to VERÖ Born: Feb 11, 1865 in Rochov, Czech, Litome(r(ice region (wikiGerman, map) or Rochov, Úšte(k region map, Bohemia, Czech.
Married: Jun 2, 1885 in Rohov roman catholic church. Died: 1920
Siblings: Zsiga Verö
Father: Janos Trencsanszky Weisz /Weiss? retired army captain
Mother: Anna Bossanyi *any relation to Aranka Verö (born Weiss) & Franz (see Boschan family) (1867 bur. 12/1/1937 Feuerhalle Simm.) OR Lilly Trencsinszky below or see Trencsánszky on Hungarian Radixindex?
Death Notice:
Imréné ÁRPÁSSY, née Hermina VERö
Name Change: Marriage Certificate shows Hermine Trencsanszky Weiss and Imre's death notice shows Hermina Verö
Also Zsiga Vero's parents may have been Janos Trencsanszky Weisz/Weiss? and Anna Bossanyi
See below:
From a court document I received from the Budapest Musesum Archives summary translation by Zsuzsa Racz, huntrans@adelphia.net, hungariantranslation.com:
Tibor Arpassy is accusing his older brother Aladar of embezzlement, fraud and blackmail in this paper he submitted to the court. He asks the court to arrest his brother speedily, since there is good reason to believe he is fleeing Czechoslovakia, going to Budapest, Hungary.
Gyula Kovacs was Tibor's lawyer.
Their father Imre passed away on Feb. 25, 1920; their mother on March 21, same year.
They were four children left to inherit: Aladar, and two "girls": Miczi and Janka.
The estate probation papers are at the court of Nyitra, no 931/1920. According to those, each child inherited ¼ of the estate. However it was right after the war, while Tibor was still in the army, and the girls away in Austria or in Budapest, only Aladar was in Nyitra. He was the director of the Nyitra Credit Bank (Nyitra Hitelbank), which went bankrupt, while Aladar took out over 300 000.- Korona from the bank. He also helped freely to his parents' money while they were away in Budapest (till July 14, 1919). During this time he also sold his parents' house in Varmegyehaz Street in the spring of 1919; also the villa in Zobor with all the valuable furniture in it became his after he paid his siblings 50 000.- Korona each for it; he then sold it to an American named MOLLER for 1 100 000.- Korona and pocketed the money.
Their uncle's name was Zsiga Vero, he must have been the brother of their mother. There is also a Geza Vero mentioned here.
My comments to this:
It is possible that if Aladar was such a big villain as this paper suggests, and if half of these accusations are true, then some of his descendants might not want to admit to it. The previous papers suggested that Imre put all his money into war bonds and lost them when the war was lost and the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy got broken to pieces; however according to this it was their son, Aladar, who stole from all of them. It makes one wonder about their sudden death after they returned to Nyitra. Or may it was the 1920 world flu that they died of? According to Tibor, Aladar stole over a million Koronas from his parents' bank accounts and that does include the houses and the land. Plus he became the director of the Nyitra Hitelbank after his father's death to which he drove into bankruptcy while he himself lost very little. His father was a thoroughly honorable man; the former bank director and I think people just assumed that his son would be the same. I am sure he pretended to be the upright honorable gentleman, but his father would have seen through him and I am sure he would have asked him to commit suicide - the honorable way out, to save the family name, etc. - but he had a better idea. We will never know, unless there are more newspaper and court papers about it. Tibor only cared for the money, perhaps it didn't even occur to him that the fast demise of his parents so soon one after the other might have been awfully convenient to Aladar.
Email from Jan Gyulai jangyulai@gmail.com (August 12, 2015)
Hello Paul,
I am sending you our genealogy report, as I promissed... You can find there Hermine Vero Weiss and Imre Arpassy too... :-)
" Alexander´s and Arthur´s sister Hermine married to Imrich Gerstl, born in 1863 in Nitra, who later changed his surname to Arpássy. Imrich (hungarian Imre) became director of bank in Nitra. In 24. June 1911 he got from hungarian king Francis Joseph nobility, coat and arms and predicate Arpássy von Abalehota. Lehota is village near Nitra today. Imre Arpássy and Hermine Weiss have got these children born in Nitra: Aladár, Tibor, Maria (her husband Paul Dömény) nad Janka (husband Joseph Kerekes). "
At the beginning there is a prologue, and then comes the family tree....
The report was made by Fred Kelemen, our relative from Irena Polya-Vero branch...., who is by the way famous cinematographer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Kelemen
From: GENEALOGY REPORT VERÖ (WEISS) FAMILY FROM NITRA-PÁROVCE, PÓLYA (POLLAK) FROM LEVICE AND EHRENFELD FROM NITRA-PÁROVCE
NITRA, 23. 03. 2010 GENEALOGY OF VERÖ (WEISS) FAMILY FROM NITRA (received from Jan Gyuli)
" The family Weiss (later Verö) belonged to the most extented surnames in Nitra – Parovce in the 19th century and to the original jewish inhabitants of this town. But its a very complicate to follow the genealogies of jewish families from this city, because the registries of his Jewish community date back only to 1844."
Note: Hermine Vero Weiss was born in 1864. My guess is Janos Trenciansky Weiss and Anna Bossanyi were probably born in early 1840's or earlier. They may not be in these registries.
David Weiss b. 1934 and Regina Ehrenfeld b. 1937.
"Weiss family (since 1895 and 1902 Verö) lived later in Párovce, house no. 151. The first mention about this Weiss family in Nitra is in the Jewish conscription in 1841, where is there mentioned Herschl Weiss – the oldest ancestor of family Verö. He lived in the house no. 93 with husband Mary and son David."
Question: Is there any mention of the Trenciansky family?
"Herschl´s son David was born around 1834 (the jewish registries date back only to 1844 and 1852) in Nitra –"
If this is the case, then Janos Trenciansky Weiss and Anna Bossanyi could have been living in Nitra also.
" David Weiss and Regina Egrenfeld had 4 sons (Arthur, Alexander, Sikmund and Mosko) and 3 daughters (Gisela, Pauline and Hermine). But Jewish registries from Nitra contain comprehensive dates only to the sons Arthur and Alexander Verö. After 1860 David migrated to the village Velké Janíkovce near Nitra, where were born his last three children, but we didnt find any sources about him and his children in this village."
From: the Marriage Registry of the Roman Catholic Church in Rohov, year 1885, volume IV. Page 110:
Serial no. 49:
The bride’s name and status:
Hermine Trencsanszky Weiss Age: 20 (b. 1865)
Name, status and religion of (her) parents:
Janos Trencsanszky Weiss, retired army captain; Anna Bossanyi
From this information, I'm certain that her parents are Janos Trencsanszky Weiss and Anna Bossanyi and NOT Devid Weiss and Regina Ehrenfeld!
What is needed: More information on the Janos Trencsanszky Weiss and Anna Bossanyi families.
Also in this report is a section on the David Weiss family tree.
GISELE PAULINE ARTHUR ALEXANDER SIKMUND HERMINE MOSKO
*4.12.1856 *20.11.1857 *19.12.1858 *10. 3. 1860 *3.1.1861 *1864 *4.8.1868
Nitra Nitra Nitra Nitra Janíkovce Janíkovce Janíkovce
1869 lived 1869 lived + after 1895 +14.10. 1933 +after 1919 ?23.12.1883 1904 Vagyon
1895 Verö 1895 Verö Fürdö u. no. 7 Imre Arpássy
land-owner bussissman land-owner (orig. Gerstl)
Korház u. no. 12 ? Iren Pólya ?Helena (Jolán) * 1863 Nitra
? Etelka Küffler *16.10.1865 Landhausen (Moritz Gerstl and
* 1860 Zvolen, +? Levice * ?, +? Johanna Ehrenfeld)
+ 1955 Nitra 1911 A. von Abalehota
(? is married date, * is birth, + is death)
