Harald Granraude - No parents!

Started by Harald Tveit Alvestrand on Sunday, September 11, 2016
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As far as I can tell, Snorre doesn't give any parents for Harald Granraude.
Two alternatives were presented:

* Herbrand Vigbrandsson
* Herbrand Hildibrandsson, of Agder

In the absence of evidence, I've removed the link to both.

Do we have any source on the patronymic name Herbrandsson?

Not in Snorre. Removing.

While I was at it, I disconnected Harald's 3 undocumented children too. (Gyrd is documented, but he's got children attached to him; the children are undocumented.)

May be undoing the merge with Harald Herbrandsson to give Herbrand his son back?

You can remove the flag as well.

The Norwegian flag? Might as well. There's so much of it up in this part of the tree, I don't notice it any more.

The other images are not better: a swedish bronze buckle, the modern Vest-Agder county weapon and a crown clip art with a christian cross... none of them reflecting the time he apparently lived at.

Do we have a reference for one of the Herbrands, so that he deserves a son? If not, I won't bother.

The proper method on Geni in this sort of cases, should be to first start a discussion, then take action after discussion conclusions.

According to the "Heimskringla: History of the Kings of Norway" succession order, Herbrand Vigbrandsson was set up as a the predecessor king of Agder, before Harald, which inclines that he also was the father to the successor . In my mind that's plausible enough.

Do you have a reference for "Heimskringla: History of the Kings of Norway"? I'd like to see what authority it cites.

OK, it's another name for Snorre.

I couldn't find the mention of Herbrand in my copy; the name doesn't occur in the index. Please tell me where you found it!

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbrand_Vigbrandsson

Referencias:
Ættartolurbækur Jóns Espólíns Sysslumanns (1980-), Espólín, Jón, (Reykjavík: Samskipti, 1980-), FHL book 949.12 D2e v. 6; FHL microfilms 73,257-73., p. 42, FHL microfilm 73257.

Bibliografía:
Sturluson, Snorri. Heimskringla: History of the Kings of Norway, trad. Lee M. Hollander. Reprinted. University of Texas Press, Austin, 1992. ISBN 0-292-73061-6

About the Icelandic historian Jón Espólín:

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3n_Esp%C3%B3l%C3%ADn

Funny that the only Wikipedia page of Herbrand are Spanish. If he was a historical person the article would be in multiple languages, especially some of the nordic since it apparently should be based on nordic sources and location. Note the only reference there is to a closed family tree page.

I have checked through Snorre as well without finding anything.

This is a site that systematically have organized the names in Heimskringla and as you can see Haralds parents are not mentioned.
http://lind.no/nor/index.asp?lang=gb&emne=asatru&person=Har...=
You don't even find the name Herbrand any places there.

Herbrand Vigbrandsson is mentioned on other Wikipedia-pages, but only in connection with Harald Granraude:

Forgjenger: Herbrand Vigbrandsson

https://no.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Granraude

Hilde var Halfdans fjerde sønn. Han var far til Hildebrand, far til Vigbrand, far til Hilde og Herbrand, far til Harald fra Grenland, far til Åse den storråde, mor til Halvdan Svarte, far til Harald Hårfagre. Sigar var far til Siggeir, som fikk Signe, datter til kong Vølsung. Sigar var også far til Sigmund, som fikk Hild, datter av kong Grjotgard fra Møre. Hans sønn het Sigar, far til Signe. Han lot drepe Hagbard ved hengning. Denne kongeslekt heter Siklinger.

http://heimskringla.no/wiki/Hvordan_Norge_ble_bebygd

Åse = daughter of Harald, Harald = son of Herbrand, Herbrand = son of Vigbrand, Vigbrand = son of Halfdan.

How much more proof do you really need?

OK, good old "How Norway was settled". We've got lots of profiles for which this document is the only source. I'll get the tree connected and annotated accordingly.

Alright, have a nice evening everybody!

That's it - line connected. I used Vi Fox' "Herbrand Vigbrandsson", but that line veered off into other directions about 4 levels up, so I disconnected it and grafted it onto the line coming down from Halfdan the Old Ringsson (Halfdan in the quote above).

If it has a source, let's reflect what the source says! (at least until there's a positive reason to disbelieve it.....)

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