John Nicholas Hopkins - No records for John, Mary, Anne.

Started by First Last on Wednesday, September 7, 2016
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There are no records for these people as shown. These three names (John Nicholas, Mary Poore and Ann Paine) are hold-overs from years ago when people only had the erroneous LDS IGI files to copy from and thought they were true. The wife doesn't work and the daughter probably has no known records anywhere under that name. Really slim chance she's Mrs. Edward Fuller.

No middle names back then. He's a combo person of the old invented Nicholas and only part of a real John in name only (but because of the other two names with him we know that in the old days he was "supposed" to be the father of Stephen Hopkins of the Mayflower).

Wife "MARY POORE" was invented after the Mary POOLE who was originally "supposed" to be Nicholas Hopkins' wife was found to have married Edward Baynard and died childless before 1536. So still looking for Royalty someone found another Mary born around the same time and latched onto the Wentworth's Plantagenet wagon. Except their Mary didn't marry a Hopkins.
Anne Wentworth and John Poley's daughter, Mary Poley (born abt 1552 in Suffolk) married "John Lany, Gentleman of Ipswich" around 1578 in Suffolk. Mary and John Lany both died in 1633 in Ipswich, Suffolk (not London (which is used interchangeably with London these days).
SEE http://tinyurl.com/JOHNLANYSUFFOLK

Other trees have Mary Poore being born to a woman who died 3 years before Mary was born and with a father who allegedly died in the 1550s in Frederick, Maryland.

The birth date shown for "Anne Paine Hopkins" is the birth date of Ann Fuller of Norfolk, sister of Edward and Samuel Fuller (both Mayflower). The Mayflower Society, New England Historic Genealogical Society's Publication "Great Migration Begins" and Fuller researchers and historians agree that no one knows her first or last name. "Ann" didn't work out.

Search 2 blank ____ lines _____ for Edward Fuller;s wife at " Great Migration . . .." p712 (image #787) pub by NEHGS in 1995.
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2496

Search Third Supplement (published 2003) to Torrey's "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" for EDWARD FULLER His wife's first name has been removed (Torrey never had a last name for her) and her first and last names are now two blank ______ lines ______ at

http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=49372

Ancestry.com's current Green Leaf Hint for Mrs. Fuller's name is using the 2004 REPRINT of the original 1985 edition using Torrey's pre-1963 notes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fuller_(Mayflower_passenger)

http://tinyurl.com/MAYFLOWER-EdFuller

The John Hopkin who was buried 30 Oct 1581 St Mary, Willesden, Middlesex, borough Brent is unknown. No documentation or records connecting him to anyone on the Mayflower.

Shirley

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