Mary Hopkins - Mary still getting confused with Constance Dudley

First Last

9/5/2016 at 5:24 PM

Stephen's first wife, Mary, has no known birth date. The 1 Jan 1580 is what was invented out of nowhere for the mythical Constance Dudley and has been copied as people arbitrarily just change Constance to Mary (often leaving the Dudley). Not a hint that Mary was born in London since her family lived in Hursley, Hampshire.

She really was buried May 9, 1613 in Hursley, Hampshire, not Winchester.

One of the photos attached to her page in the Media Sedtion is of a very large 2-story house with two prominent chimneys. That house is in Providence, Rhode Island and is on the National Register. It belonged to Stephen Hopkins (1707-1785) who was born in Rhode Island and signed the Declaration of Independence. There is no known connection between that Hopkins family (from Worcestershire) and the Mayflower family from Hampshire.

On the timeline it states their marriage was in Upper Clatford, Hampshire in 1604 and her name is shown as CONSTANCE MARY DUDLEY. Could someone please fix that. Again, probably not Upper Clatford since her family lived in Hursley. We have no marriage record or birth for her.

Daughter Elizabeth's baptism date was reread from the original Latin and a misreading was noted. It's been changed to March 1604, not May.

Time line also reports May 9, 1613
"Death of Constance Mary Hopkins (Dudley) at Winchester, Hampshire, England"
Except that was the burial date for Mary Kent and it was in Hursley, not Winchester. Could someone please fix that and the Burial entry also.

The "Sources" section is always interesting. It's easy to spot the wrong ones and where they were copied from.

The "Confirmed Matches" Section is one of my favorites. See the references to Dudley and "mayflower" Passenger. Some show her with 4-8 children.

For those who like the research process and haven't seen Caleb Johnson & Simon Neal's latest work on trying to find the families of Stephen's wives (m1: Mary, probably Kent not Machell & m2: Elizabeth Fisher (parents UNK), see excellent Mayflower Quarterly article (thanks V in NC) from June 2012 by Simon Neal --
http://tinyurl.com/2012-Simon-Neal

w/26 pages of source notes
http://tinyurl.com/NEAL-SOURCES

Good luck to us all.
Shirley ssbosco aol

Christopher Gene Johnson

9/6/2016 at 10:05 AM

Sorry, but there is a connection to the Stephen Hopkins who signed the Declaration of Independence and our Stephen Hopkins. By way of Nicholas Hopkins, our Stephen's father. Nicholas (Stephen's father, then follow the trail)- Thomas - William - William - Stephen (Signer of the D of I).

Also, I found a marriage date of 9 May 1599 for Stephen and Mary.

Thank you for the posting, I always find these issues better to consider, as sources may vary. BTW, I do love the research process. I guess I better, I've been doing this kind of research for a long time.

Chris Johnson
(Stephen Hopkins and Mary Dudley) 11th Great Grandparents by way of Constance.
cjwriter10@yahoo.com

First Last

9/6/2016 at 2:14 PM

Hi Chris:

Thanks for your note.

I am very interested in the source you found for the marriage date of 9 May 1599 for Stephen and first wife, Mary. Which parish/county is listed in the record book? How was her last name listed? Also, where on the internet did you find it. The URL will probably work. Thanks.

Sorry about Nicholas but he's a myth. The easiest place to find out about how he was invented would be to read my message board post at Ancestry.

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.hopkins/5435/mb.ashx
has explanations of how Stephen got tagged with birth of 29 Oct 1581,
the Gloucester and
mythical Constance DUDLEY messes, and how
Nicholas Hopkins & Mary POOLE/POORE/POLEY got invented as parents and
a man from Norfolk invented as Nicholas's father.

If you have more documentation that I've missed please let me know.

Thanks for your help.
Shirley

Private User

9/6/2016 at 4:15 PM

I'm watching the thread, but haven't had time to review. If there is consensus with regard to an action, let me know and I'll take it.

Private User

9/6/2016 at 4:16 PM

Let me ping Erica Howton too - maybe she has some bandwidth to spare.

Erica Howton C

9/8/2016 at 12:32 AM

First Last & Private User got her cleaned up; improved overview; disconnected spurious children & parents !

Private User

9/8/2016 at 11:49 AM

Thanks Erica! :)

First Last

9/8/2016 at 12:54 PM

And a double thank you smile from me. :-))

Now if people can just ignore the first 6 entries shown today under "Confirmed Matches" we might be on the right track.

Thanks again.
Shirley

Erica Howton C

9/8/2016 at 1:02 PM

I might be able to reject them, I made myself a manager when trying to decide if the linkage to Robert Kent & Joan Machill was solid enough for a geni profile of this importance. It is, in my opinion - - I mean, isn't it just perfect than Stephen Hopkins mother in law was an alehouse keeper? Hah! Take that, spurious royal descent Constance Dudley myth!

It really irked me to see myself connected through Sutton Dudley. No no no!

First Last

9/9/2016 at 9:48 AM

Erica:
I just got this weird thing in the mail from Geni saying, "
Erica Howton confirmed 3 Smart Matches™ of Mary Hopkins.

But the profile for the only one shown on the paper was for a birth "Before Jan 5 1580 in Stockport, Cheshire, England." It's shown on MyHeritage but says to see the original record on WikiTree. Some websites are just sharing the bad files and they're spreading like a virus.

That date and place are holdovers from YET A DIFFERENT THIRD WIFE (two imaginary ones so far -- there's a third that no one has posted her yet, but if we wait long enough . . . ) often attributed to Stephen of the Mayflower (usually seen attached to Ruth Wilkinson in in real life was born around 1685 and is the mother of the yet different Stephen Hopkins (1707-1785) who signed the Dec of Indpen. from Rhode Island. This isn't a "Confirmed Match" by anyone who knows the background and history of mistakes for this family.

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