Ralph Hemingway (Hemenway) - Hemenway of Yorkshire? spurious pedigree?

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" Ralph Hemenway A Word about Ralph Hemenway (ancestor of Ernest) (Revised 12 Sep 2006 & 25 Oct 2011) For those of you interested in Ralph Hemenway, who is the undisputed earliest recorded ancestor of a great many North American Hemingways including the famous author Ernest Hemingway, I have chosen to express a few thoughts here. I am not disputing the lines back to Ralph at all. A great many individuals have undertaken this research and I believe they have all reached the same conclusion. That is that they are descended from Ralph Hemenway who married Elizabeth Hewes in Roxbury 5 July 1634. Ralph had at least seven children with Elizabeth between 1635 and 1647 and he died 1 June 1678. Amongst other locations where this is well documented, is an excellent 856 page text that is still in print that was produced by Patricia S Hemingway.*

However, a statement made in the book and repeated in various forms in other works is that Ralph Hemenway, “…was born c1603 near Bradford, West Riding of Yorkshire, England”. There is no evidence that I have seen that can support this assertion. I have tried very hard and a great many other researchers have struggled to try to find any evidence of Ralph’s parents, birthplace or even record of emigration to North America. To date, none of these have been found.

Having failed to find any evidence of his origins, I am led to believe that a very real possibility is that Ralph Hemenway, was not a Hemenway at all. Given that he just “appears” in the Roxbury records in 1634 with no trace of an origin or in any passenger list, I am led to believe that he perhaps assumed the Hemenway name when starting his new life in Roxbury, or what is now Boston, Mass, USA.

The longer that I have had to reflect upon this theory, the more trust I have in its value. I am the first to admit that I have no more hard evidence to support the suggestion than those that say that Ralph came from England, but whilst we search for any hard evidence of his origin, it must be a very real possibility. It is for this reason that I believe that all those Hemenways and Hemingways etc in North America, including Ernest and his family, may not Hemenways or Hemingways in the usual or genetic sense. However, they carry the surname of Hemenway and Hemingway (or a similar variant) and they are perfectly entitled to do so, but cannot claim to be descended from a Yorkshire Hemingway, without some hard evidence. One of the reasons that I have created the Hemingway DNA Project is in order to try to provide some hard evidence about the family of Ralph Hemenway in the hope that we will sooner or later provide some evidence to prove or disprove the connection. If you are a male (direct line) descendent of Ralph, it is vital that you join our project.

Meanwhile, I urge all researchers not to promulgate this myth that Ralph was a Hemingway from Bradford or anywhere else in England until there is some evidence.

Maurice Hemingway © Maurice Hemingway 25 Oct 2011

Copies of Patricia’s book entitled The Hemingways (Past & Present and Allied Families) published 1988 are available from :
Ernest H Mainland PO Box 488 Petoskey Michigan 49770 USA

Ernest will ship a copy anywhere in the world for US$45.00. Copies to USA postal codes will cost US$35.00. Payment should be made by any financial institutions check (cheque) or money order, payable in US Dollars, and sent to and made payable to Ernest H Mainland."

Who cares? He is the original immigrant ancestor. Why are you hawking your book here?

Who cares? He is the original immigrant ancestor. Why are you hawking your book here?

I highly recommened that you Private User stay out of other people's family history and keep your nasty remarks about someone else's history alone. You sound like an idiot.

I do not agree with his statement, and he is not being that scientific, or nice about calling other people's genealogy wrong.

What I want to know if the gap in history if Ralph was Jewish? That has been my question.

There is a kernel in the original post that is central to why I posted it...>
I only put it up for discussion purposes. I do not have any preference for outcomes, or purchases for that matter.

"However, a statement made in the book and repeated in various forms in other works is that Ralph Hemenway, “…was born c1603 near Bradford, West Riding of Yorkshire, England”. There is no evidence that I have seen that can support this assertion. I have tried very hard and a great many other researchers have struggled to try to find any evidence of Ralph’s parents, birthplace or even record of emigration to North America. To date, none of these have been found.

Having failed to find any evidence of his origins, I am led to believe that a very real possibility is that Ralph Hemenway, was not a Hemenway at all. Given that he just “appears” in the Roxbury records in 1634 with no trace of an origin or in any passenger list, I am led to believe that he perhaps assumed the Hemenway name when starting his new life in Roxbury, or what is now Boston, Mass, USA."

Let me frame the question another way.

> What are the references that can decide this issue?

I pose this question only in my role as a Geni curator.

cordially,
Michael M. van Beuren

I suggest to Lucinda that she actually knows who she is speaking with and do so without resorting to calling researchers and relatives names. I am also a Hemingway, and Hemingway DNA can be proveable by more than just Y dna, i am happy to contribute my mtDNA as my lineage is well documented, and my family was married into all the allied families. I am currently working on citing each ancestor in this group and creating a short biography for other Geni members. What i think was inappropriate was posting the lack of lineage on Ralphs profile as the main information about him, when he is very well documented. I asked the curator to break the link across the ocean until we can prove otherwise. I have found many books that if read carefully provide those links. I recently linked the Cottrells with the Knapps back in England. Ive also linked the Masons with their allied families. As each grave comes available over there we are finding the links, so this work is evolving daily. No one knows the definitive story of these people yet. We do have good clues. Does anyone have Hemingway DNA from England contributed to the project?

I suggest to you, that you do not make goofy complants about people sharing what genological books. That is all I am trying to say. To be honest I did not read all your message, could care less about it, and jusy could bot belive anyone complains about a book, and does not deal with the the fact there is proof

There has been evidence of Ralph to Earnest, which I highly recomend people looking at before you take spmeones geneology out

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