Sir John Russell of Strensham - Joan Quartermayne possibly wrong line? Please see Sources

Erica Howton

Sir John Russell has too many wives. Can we prune the extras off? Do we know which child was Joan Quartermain's father ?

In the sources is the tree from the book listed above, not much seems to match.
https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000046147175064&

Her parents are John Russell of Bradenstoke and Agnes who also married Walter Botyler.

This is from his History of Parliament bio:

s. and h. of Robert Russell† of Strensham ?by Katherine, da. of John Vampage of Pershore, Worcs. m. (1) bef. Mich. 1382, Agnes, 3s. inc. William*, 3 da.; (2) aft. 1389, Margaret (d.1397), da. of Sir Hugh Hastings of Elsing, Norf., wid. of Sir John Wingfield† of Letheringham Suff.; (3) between 24 Dec. 1398 and 15 Jan. 1399, Elizabeth (1 Jan. 1348-Sept. 1423), posthumous da. and event. sole h. of William de la Plaunk of Haversham, Bucks. by Elizabeth, yr. da. of Sir Roger Hillary, c.j.c.p., of Bescot, Staffs., wid. of Sir John Birmingham, Robert, Lord Grey of Rotherfield and John, Lord Clinton.1 Kntd. by Oct. 1378.

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/ru...

A good source to use as these bio's are usually well researched.

Sir John Russell of Strensham & John Russell of Bradenstoke are from two separate families.

See discussion here:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2001-04/...

The Inquisitions post mortem (IPMs) for Elizabeth, 3rd wife of Sir John Russell of Strensham, are transcribed here:

http://www.inquisitionspostmortem.ac.uk/view/inquisition/22-333/337

She is recorded as Elizabeth widow of John de Clinton, Chevalier.

In her "City of London" IPM it states John Russell, knight , and Elizabeth died without heirs of their bodies.

So who is the father of Joan Quartermayne? Just want to make sure this is correct.

John Russell of Bradenstoke, Wiltshire (d. 7 May 1398), married Elizabeth
Fitz Ellis
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John Russell of Bradenstoke, Wiltshire, married Agnes
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Joan Russell married Thomas Quatremain of North Weston and Ascote (Estcote),
Oxford, (d. 1398).

Sorry if I confused you Shaz, I was posting info as I found it. As Erica said the family needs pruning, I was finding info to help with that too.

John Russell & Elizabeth FitzEllis (grandparents of Joan Quatremain) both died in 1363. The death date of 7 May 1398 I copied above is incorrect.

See: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol9/pp49-65

Thanks :) Understand. I have just been going through old visitations and found so many that are wrong here, is disheartening. Especially when the sources are other trees and no hard facts.

Will you change this one Charlene Newport ? and we really should MP these historic profiles so they do not get messed again.

I will keep doing this every now and then, but I dont like to change them if that is ok.

Shaz

Yes, we have a bit of a mess here. The two families have been confused and merged together. The page from visitation that you added as a source looks correct, it just needs to be added to the correct John Russell after its been untangled.

I'll start with doing some unmerging.

None of the latest merges on Sir John Russell have caused the mix up, so will have to do some reconstruction work.

Thanks Heaps, you are a champion :)