Unable to add profile

Started by Joseph Frederick Strausman on Saturday, July 23, 2016
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7/23/2016 at 7:26 AM

I'm trying to add my father, Mark Strausman:
Mark Richard Strausman

He follows the group and is a collaborator but cannot be added as a profile in the group, for some reason. I tried adding him both on my account and his. Someone said perhaps it's because he is alive, but - A., I cannot change it so he is deceased, neither from my account nor his, and B., there are celebrity chefs in the group who are still alive. If anyone has any suggestions/can help, it would be much-appreciated.

Best,
Joe

Private User
7/23/2016 at 7:38 AM

A living person needs to be made a master profile to be added to a project. I can do that if that is what you want - be aware it makes his profile public for all the world to see!

7/23/2016 at 11:14 AM

Ah, wasn't aware that's why (or that it wasn't already a public profile!) If you could make it a master profile that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!

Best wishes

Private User
7/23/2016 at 11:25 AM

Ah - added complication - your father is an active user. What is the procedeure here Mike Stangel?

7/23/2016 at 12:40 PM

Would you just need his permission? If so, that's not a problem.

7/23/2016 at 9:11 PM

As an active member / claimed profile (and we want him to be) he cannot also be a Master Profile, unfortunately.

An option is to make him an MP "brother" clone. We've solved it that way with other notable members.

7/23/2016 at 9:38 PM

Would you be able to merge the "clones'?

Private User
7/24/2016 at 1:10 AM

Merging them would mean he couldn't be an MP!

Private User
7/24/2016 at 1:22 AM

Just ask the user to lower his privacy fence by making the About Me, photos etc public and it will be as good as a Master Profile.

7/24/2016 at 2:56 AM

Everything is clicked to be public (except his contact info, for which I put nothing, anyway.) It's also odd because I created his profile and he must've made one separately for some reason. Yesterday (after some trouble), I was able to merge them and it produced the profile we have know (his old profile was just his name and no other family.) He has an account with this profile (I invited him), but it says there's no manager. Just says the profiles creation date (created by me, originally, on the date is says.)

But so yea, everything (aside from contact info - which is an email he uses, but not for his account for the profile about which we are discussing.) He uses a ".mac.com" email for his account, but in his contact info it's a ".me.com" email, with the same name. But, if I recall correctly, both .mac and .me can be used interchangeably and it'd be the same email? They're both a Mac thing. Even if that's not the case, surely he would receive messages in the one for the account.

Also, why would merging them make him not a MP anymore? People merge duplicate Charlemagne, for example, and he remains an MP. I understand because in my case, the person manages (is alive) the profile/s - I just don't understand why that's a thing, though, lol.

Should've added him in the group before I invited him, lol. But there's always gotta be a way backtrack and fix complications such as this. It's like a puzzle.

7/24/2016 at 3:16 AM

Unless someone else has any ideas/knows what to do, (or if Mike Stangel comes to the rescue soon), I might have to submit a request to Geni through their help center system.

Thank you all for your suggestions and input!!!

Cheers

Private User
7/24/2016 at 8:20 AM

Mark Richard Strausman seem to be public enough (just checked as logged out), - the only exception is a view tree option and we did not figure out the last time we had that problem on what cause view tree to be visible or not on user profiles. Mike?

Private User
7/24/2016 at 8:20 AM

The solution Erica suggested was to have two profiles - one public Master profile which he has not claimed, and the other his claimed profile. I will look

Private User
7/24/2016 at 8:29 AM

As Bjorn says - opening his profile as an Incognito profile is indeed very public. However it does mean that as a living, claimed profile he cannot be linked to a project other than as a collaborator of follower. To have him linked to the project would require a 2nd MP profile which he doesn't claim. Depends on how important it is to have hime linked. He could be included in the text.

7/24/2016 at 8:37 AM

I mean, included in the text would be cool. I don't know, this is the beginning of the "Technological Age" and this will be how people preserve their families.

Also, question: what would happen if he went to "Account Settings" and clicked "Close Account"? Would that mean wouldn't have an account but the profile will still be there? If so, I could change him to deceased to add him and then it right back. Would that/is that how it work/s?

Private User
7/24/2016 at 11:54 PM

If he closed the account then he wouldn't be able to log on, but if this wasn't a claimed profile but living and managed by yourself then we can request that he is made MP and he could then be added to a project. If he wants to stay a user we can just add a link in the body of the project.

7/25/2016 at 11:43 AM

Hi everyone - sorry I'm late, had too many plates spinning this weekend. :-) This issue has come up just a few times, how to handle a case where someone is a Geni user and also a well-known / public figure. We've kicked around the idea of how to present public views of claimed profiles (adding to projects would be related to this) however even that may not be a full solution, because it doesn't protect the privacy of the profiles around them in the tree. For example, maybe it's not a good idea that other users can see nearby family (especially claimed, or the presence of kids even if they are private profiles, because their names may appear on the public profile as immediate family). It quickly gets too complicated to devise a comprehensive solution, so we always just come back to suggesting that you go up a couple generations and make a duplicate branch that can be made into a Master Profile.

7/25/2016 at 2:59 PM

I was the one who first added a profile for him (he's my dad...) but, for some reason, he also made a profile, which I recently found (no info, hasn't been logged into for years) so I merged them. I think (if this is possible) he had two profiles with the same email. Somehow now, I am no longer a manager nor does it say I added him. It says he joined on August 21, 2010 - I joined Geni on February 14 of the same year, so there's no way it took me months (or even minutes...) to add a profile for him, so August 21, 2010 must be when he made an account for himself (a new profile). Before I found this profile he made, I added him as a manager of the one I made. So I think when I merged the two profiles for him (I was a manager of one and he was a manager of both), it cut me out as manager and just made that profile his account. I don't mind him having his own account but I'd like to manage and be able to edit it because I'm the family genealogist (he obviously wouldn't mind...)

Mike, if he closes his account, can I manage the profile? No one is the manager except him, now.

7/26/2016 at 10:35 AM

Joseph Frederick Strausman he doesn't need to close his account; there's a checkbox on https://www.geni.com/account_settings/permissions labeled "
Let my family edit my profile" -- if he turns that one, that should probably give you everything you need.

7/26/2016 at 6:47 PM

Mike Stangel he already has that and everything in the permissions section checked.

7/27/2016 at 4:35 PM

Joseph Frederick Strausman whether or not to close the account depends on what you want to do. Since you can edit his profile, the only difference I can think of is that he cannot be made a public profile / added to projects because he's claimed. If he doesn't care about being on Geni and you don't care that your own profile would be so closely attached to a public figure, then maybe closing the account is the best solution to fix the add-to-project problem. Other than that, I'm failing to see why it makes much of a difference either way...?

7/28/2016 at 8:09 AM

Ah, didn't know I'd be the manager if I did that - I just closed the account. I had to make him deceased in order to have him added to the project, but then his profile had to be private. So, I made him deceased again and took him out of the project. Could somebody make him a Master Profile? Then I'll mark him as living and hopefully he can be added to the group.

Many thanks,

7/28/2016 at 5:07 PM

Done.

7/29/2016 at 12:30 AM

Thank you!

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