Hawise de Lanvaley - sources for Maud Pecche as Hawise's mother?

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Back in February, in the course of doing Regular Clean Up In the Medieval Tree, I cleaned up Hawise -- she at that time had two mothers, one being Maude Pecche, and one being a Basset.

According to the curator's notes, and the overview, the correct mother was Maud Pecche, so I disconnected the other one.

the Magna Carta Sureties lists the Basset as the wife of William de Lanvaley.

The sources given for Maud Pecche are web trees -- do we have other sources?

Hawise Basset would get my vote, because of naming conventions. There is another profile for Hawise de Lanvaley spelled de Ianvalee, which should be merged - sorry, I cant link from my tablet.

After consultation with the curator, we're agreed to use the Magna Carta Sureties.

Since this post newer information is available regarding Hawise's parentage:

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/2qgLTFMDPNE/m/...

Dear Carolyn ~
The correct Lanvallay pedigree is set forth in charters published in Cartularium Monasterii Sancti Johannis Baptiste de Colecestria (1897). I recommend you view these charters.

You might also wish to view related material on the Lanvallay family in VCH Cambridge, 8 (1982): 178–194, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66754&strqu...

This information shows that Maud Pecche, wife of William de Lanvallay the younger, had the manor of Harston, Cambridgeshire as her maritagium, which property subsequently passed to her daughter and heiress, Hawise de Lanvallay, wife of Sir John de Burgh, Knt.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/cambs/vol8/pp178-194#h3-0005

Chapter 4: Manors
Manors.
In 1086 Picot the sheriff held 7½ hides, including 4 that the thegn Orgar had held in 1066 under Earl Harold, 2 then held by six sokemen of King Edward, and 1½ once held by the sokeman Fredebert of the abbot of Ely. The last fee was still held in 1086 of the abbot, the rest in chief, (fn. 65) but in the 13th century the whole manor was said to be held of the bishop of Ely. (fn. 66) It passed with Picot's barony of Bourn to Pain Peverel, and, when the barony was divided between coheirs c. 1150, was assigned to Alice, wife of Hamon Pecche (d. by 1185). Their son Gilbert (d. 1212), (fn. 67) who held it of the bishop, (fn. 68) or his son Hamon gave it in marriage with Hamon's sister Maud to the Essex baron William de Lanvaley (d. s.p.m. 1217). (fn. 69) Mesne lordship over it remained with the Pecches (fn. 70) until they sold that barony to the Crown in 1284. (fn. 71) The Harston manor, thenceforth called TIPTOFTS, was held of the Crown, of the Pecche fee, as ½ knight's fee until c. 1500, (fn. 72) later in chief as 1/20 fee. (fn. 73)

As a widow Maud de Lanvaley gave her water mill to the Hospitallers of Shingay and a half-yardland to St. John's abbey, Colchester. (fn. 74) Land at Harston was still attached to Shingay manor in the 16th and 18th centuries. (fn. 75) At inclosure in 1800 17 a. there were still copyhold of Abbotsbury manor in Barley (Herts.), (fn. 76) once owned by the abbey. (fn. 77) Maud also granted 40 a. to John of Croydon. In 1221 he leased them, with 40 a. of his inheritance, to William le Breton, justice of the Jews from 1234, (fn. 78) to whom John's widow Sybil released the land in 1235. (fn. 79) At his death in 1261 William left 120 a. in demesne to his son John, (fn. 80) also a royal judge until 1271. (fn. 81) In 1265 the royalist Payn de Chaworth seized that manor, (fn. 82) which by 1279 was incorporated with Tiptofts, whose then lord Robert Tiptoft had married Payn's sister Eve. (fn. 83)

¶Maud de Lanvaley had died by 1233. Her daughter and heir Hawise (d. after 1248) had married John de Burgh. (fn. 84) John still possessed the Harston manor in 1261 and 1272, (fn. 85) but before his death in 1274 (fn. 86) had probably sold it to Sir Robert Tiptoft, or Tibotot, a life-long minister of Edward I and justice of West Wales 1281–98. (fn. 87) In 1279 he had over 330 a. at Harston, holding Tiptofts of John de Burgh's son John and the Breton fee of the Bretons of Boxted (Essex). (fn. 88) He died in 1298. His son and heir Payn, of age in 1300, (fn. 89) was justice of Chester 1309–11 and fell at Bannockburn in 1314, leaving as heir a son John, aged one. (fn. 90) In 1297 Harston Tiptofts had been settled for life on Payn's wife Agnes (d. 1328), (fn. 91) who by 1315 married Sir Thomas Vere. (fn. 92) He occupied it until his death in 1329. (fn. 93) John, Lord Tiptoft, of age in 1334, (fn. 94) settled that manor c. 1365 in tail male upon his issue by his second wife Elizabeth. When he died in 1367, (fn. 95) it descended to their only son Payn, knighted c. 1386, who left his mother in possession until she died in 1390. (fn. 96) Upon his death in 1413, (fn. 97) it passed to his son John, (fn. 98) a minister to Henry IV, V, and VI. Created lord Tiptoft in 1426, he died in 1443. His son John, of age in 1447, (fn. 99) was created earl of Worcester in 1449 and executed as a Yorkist in 1470. (fn. 100) Harston Tiptofts passed for her life to his widow Elizabeth, who married next Sir William Stanley, guardian of the earl's son and heir Edward, (fn. 101) who died in 1485. Tiptofts was claimed, the entail having expired, by Sir Payn Tiptoft's heirs general, decended from the three daughters and coheirs of his elder half-brother, Robert, Lord Tiptoft (d. 1372). After long litigation they recovered it from Stanley and his wife in 1493. (fn. 102) Those coheirs and their successors occupied it as coparceners until after 1600, jointly holding a single manor court, but dividing the estate's profits. (fn. 103)

Is it possible to return her mother to Maud de Pecche/de Peche??

Thank you,
Maru

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