Samuel Morse, of Boxted & Medfield - Samuel Morse, of Boxted & Medfield

I update the profile "about" section to reflect the current list of known children:

Children per Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration, 1620-1635. Vol 5, M-P

# Samuel Morse (1603–1626) bp 1 MAY 1603 Redgrave, Suffolk, England, buried 11 MAY 1626 Burgate, Suffolk, England.(Stevens-Miller Ancestors 18).
# Elizabeth Morse (1605–1643) bp 6 MAR 1605 Redgrave, Suffolk, England, Death 02 OCT 1643 [Stevens-Miller Anc 17] Cambridge, Middlesex, Massachusetts. She married by about 1631 Robert Daniel (NEHGR 88:383-86, 89:154).
# John Morse (1607–1657) bp 28 FEB 1607/8 Redgrave, Suffolk, England, [Stevens-Miller Anc. 17] Death 26 MAY 1657 Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts. He married Annis ____(eldest child born 3 Jun 1637 [DeVR 1]) In 1946 G Andrews Moriarty argued that she was no Annis Chickering (NEHGR 100:79).
# DANIEL MORSE, b. say 1610; Massachusetts Bay, freeman 6 May 1635 (as ''Dan[ie]ll Morse," first in a sequence of three Watertown men) [MBCR 1:371]; m. by 1639 Lydia Fisher (eldest known child b. Dedham 8 August 1639 [DeVR 1]), daughter of ANTHONY FISHER {.1637, Dedham} [NEHGR 151:182-83]. (In his will of 9 March 1687[/8], Daniel Morse twice mentioned land that ''I purchased of my brother Daniel Fisher” [Wm. Inglis Morse (and Mary Lovering Holman), Genealogiae or Data Concerning the Families of Morse, Chipman, Phinney, Ensign and Whiting (Boston 1925), 10-11 , citing MPR 10:316].)
# JOSEPH MORSE, bp. Redgrave, Suffolk, 2 May 1613 [Stevens-Miller Anc 17]; m. Dedham l September 1638 Hannah Phillips [DeVR 126].
# SARAH MORSE, bp. Burgate, Suffolk, 25 August 1616 [Stevens-Miller Anc 17]; no further record.
# MARY MORSE, bp. Burgate, Suffolk, 13 August 1620 [Stevens-Miller Anc 18]. She married in Dedham 10 August 1641 Samuel Bullen [DeVR 126].
According to Anderson earlier genealogies were in error about there being a son named Thomas. The record cited for son Thomas were actually for the father.

So we need to:
1) Either remove this Samuel and create a new one or remove his spouse and child and change b/d
2) Remove Abigail
3) Remove Eleanor

Have any of the descendants done autosomal DNA testing? If so can you please add your GEDMATCH Kit #, where you tested, your line of descent (in the discussion thread). If you are a directly patrilineal descendant and have Y DNA results please post that as well.

I'm descended from three of Samuel's children: Elizabeth, Daniel and Joseph. My GEDMATCH kit # is A961190. I have tested at Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andME. Here are my three lineages:

Daniel Morse 2 (1613 - 1688)
Lydia Morse 3 (1645 - 1722)
Bethia Wight (1683 - 1756)
Elisha Bullard 4 (1714 - 1790)
Elisha Bullard 5 (1752 - 1834)
Samuel Austin Bullard 6 (1800 - 1861)
George Edward Bullard 7 (1835 - 1885)
Washington Irving Bullard 8 (1881 - 1948)
Barbara Anita Bullard 9 (1906 - 1998)
Joan Leonard Chadbourne 12 (1935 - )
Roland Henry Baker III 11

Joseph Morse 2 Major (1613 - 1654)
Sarah Morse 3 (1643 - 1684)
Elizabeth Lawrence 4 (1679 - 1775)
Lawrence (Larrans) Jackson (Jacson) Harris 6 (1713 - 1784)
Lydia Barron Harris 7 (1754 - 1829)
Solomon Lenfest Sr 2 (1795 - 1858)
Solomon Lenfest Jr 3 (1822 - 1883)
Charles Grant Lenfest 4 (1867 - 1927)
Ethel Gertrude Lenfest 5 (1898 - 1995)
Roland Henry Baker Lt Col Jr 10 (1923 - 1994)
Roland Henry Baker III 11

Elizabeth Morse 2 (1605 - 1643)
Joseph Daniels (1634 - 1715)
ELEAZER DANIELS Captian (1681 - 1772)
David Daniels (1710 - 1776)
Darius Daniels (1739 - 1832)
Waity Daniels (1780 - 1865)
Thomas Buffum Sr 7 (1804 - 1880)
Eliza Anne Pratt Buffum 8 (1833 - 1921)
Bessie Leonard 8 (1869 - 1936)
Joseph Humphrey Chadbourne 11 (1900 - 1975)
Joan Leonard Chadbourne 12 (1935 - )
Roland Henry Baker III 11

Here are some other GEDMATCH kits from my family who also share one or more of these lineages:

Roland Baker A961190
Joan Leonard Chadbourne A457577
Sivea Key A078844
Susan Choate Murphy Fischer A393665
Kim Murphy Jones A506814
Meg GEDMatch Kit A397112
Susan Hope Robinson A729372
Carolyn "Lyn" H Hope A358581
Paul Jeffrey Chalue A153358
Scott Holt Chadbourne A764188
Sally Bullard A886508
Kathy Baker A626691

Marian Capen Engstrom GEDMATCH Kit # F5358525 [Private User Marian Engstrom ( Capen)] tested at FTDNA is also a descendant.

Samuel is my 11th GGF through his son, Joseph.

We're missing children !

Can someone re enter them in the correct family position & then search Geni to re connect them to their families? They probably just strayed off ...

Eleanor Little disconnected

Abigail [Hendrick] Pengry

Speaking of which Erica could you please change the birth on this profile of John to "before" and uncheck circa on the birth:

https://www.geni.com/profile/edit_basics/6000000002684706160

And for son Joseph change the birth to Bef 2 May 1613 no circa (not 1615 as currently stated):
Joseph Morse, of Dedham

Thanks!

Linda Wellman have you done DNA testing and if so can you please post your GEDMATCH kit # here? If you've tested but haven't transferred your DNA data to GEDMATCH yet please do so. If you need help just tell me which company you tested with.

No relevant dna - connection is thru father's mother's line

My 10th ggf through his son Daniel Morse :) Great job.

Gedmatch F213117 by the way, Roland Henry Baker, III.

My mother Gedmatch F243527.

Of course I am descended from so many early Americans that I am related to you multiple ways.

Hah, no shared DNA either with my mother or me.

Hi Hatte! Thanks!

This one is pretty far back. So if we sample any two cousins at random the chances of them matching is very low. But if we get several GEDMATCH kits via certain lineages we may begin to be able to match and triangulate them.

If we get a Y DNA test I'll start a project page and add all the GEDMATCH kits to that page. If not we will collect them in this discussion until we decide where to tally them up.

Also Erica - all the children are added now. The children shown on GENI are exactly as listed in Anderson's Great Migration.

Thanks Roland. We're trying more generations back! I don't know how we'll succeed at this. Can you explain more about triangulation ?

Here are a couple of good articles with pictures that explain how to triangulate:

http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-...

You want to be able to look at a segment of your DNA and determine exactly which pair of your ancestors it came from. So you look for at least two other people who share the same ancestor pair and match you on exactly the same segment. Then you check that you all match on the same phase of that segment (maternal or paternal). You have to check which other ancestors you might have in common and rule them out which is often easier than it sounds because you may share more than one ancestor with one of the matches but likely if you look at both of the matches there is usually only one pair of ancestors that all three of you share. If not you may need to find a fourth person to match that segment to narrow down the possible shared ancestors to one pair. Once you get to that point you can prove that all of your received that same segment from the same ancestor pair.

It's easier to do if you organize all your DNA matches on a spreadsheet and sort them by chromosome number and then by starting base-pair. You can download a full list of your matches from FTDNA from the chromosome browser in excel format. Then select all the data and right click and do a customer sort. You'll start to notice that on each segment you may have ten different people that match you on that exact same segment. About five of those people will match you on the maternal copy of that segment and five will match you on the paternal copy of that segment (Remember you have two copies of each of your 23 chromosomes, one from your dad and one from your mom). You can sort them by asking one of these cousins to check which of these people they also match on this segment. If you both match the same person on the same segment you have a shared common ancestor. Then compare trees and look for who your common ancestor is.

Another way to find people on the same segment is to take a match in FTDNA and add them to the chromosome browser. Then pull down the "in common with tool" to list all the cousins you both match. Then add them all one by one to the chromosome browser and click compare. Note for more than five people you have to repeat this step a few times. Then look for those cousins you both match on that same segment and eliminate the rest. Then contact your cousin and ask them to confirm if they come up with the same list. Where your list overlaps are the group of people who share the same common ancestor on the same copy (maternal or paternal) of that segment.

There are more elegant tools to do this like DNAGEDCOM but you can do the same thing without these tools.

Hopefully I didn't make too many typos and confuse things because I'm writing this pretty quickly. I think the articles should be pretty clear.

Tree needs a spring clean, it seems.

Notes from Debbie Jean Stango (Kunkel)

There are some mistakes on the internet due to confusion of parentage:

Samuel Morse was born in 1587 d. 4 Apt 1654. Regiser of Dedham England Richard Morse m. Feb 15 1586 Margaret Sympson and son Samuel bap. July 25 1587. When Samuel died in Dedham MA in 1654 her was 67 yrs old and it was felt that he was the son of Richard and Margaret Morse not Thomas Morse. Confusion was because the Rev. Abner Morse placed on record that the father of Samuel of Dedham, MA. Englishabeth b. 1587 d. 1654.

Children
John b. 1611
Daniel b. 1613
Joseph b. 1615
Samuel :
Jeremiah
Mary m. Aug 10 1641 Deacon Samuel Bullent of Medfield originally of Watertown MA 1636.

Looks like Geni stands correct with parents, not so sure about children listed.

Needs discussion

Tree needs a spring clean, it seems.

Notes from Debbie Jean Stango (Kunkel)

There are some mistakes on the internet due to confusion of parentage:

Samuel Morse was born in 1587 d. 4 Apt 1654. Regiser of Dedham England Richard Morse m. Feb 15 1586 Margaret Sympson and son Samuel bap. July 25 1587. When Samuel died in Dedham MA in 1654 her was 67 yrs old and it was felt that he was the son of Richard and Margaret Morse not Thomas Morse. Confusion was because the Rev. Abner Morse placed on record that the father of Samuel of Dedham, MA. Englishabeth b. 1587 d. 1654.

Children
John b. 1611
Daniel b. 1613
Joseph b. 1615
Samuel :
Jeremiah
Mary m. Aug 10 1641 Deacon Samuel Bullent of Medfield originally of Watertown MA 1636.

Looks like Geni stands correct with parents, not so sure about children listed.

Needs discussion

Notes from Private User

I'm Phillip Holbrook Morse building my family tree and there are a number of profiles that appear to have wrong or missing information and I can't add or change the profile in the Samuel Morse line. Is there a way I can edit these profiles that have locks next to them. I visited the Grave site in Medfield last week and am asking how to restore or just clean the tombstone.