Dougall "the Black Stranger” de Seton - Correct parents of The Black Stranger?

He is the husband of Jonet Seton
Possible parents:
Saher de Saye
Walter De Cambray, III
Walter De Cambray, III

Terry Jackson (Switzer) the following discussion link involves this Saher de Saye also. Mostly concerning who his father is exactly. Private User seems to be well researched in this particular are of this family.

http://www.geni.com/discussions/151958?msg=1060634

Greetings All!
I respectfully suggest checking the source which is currently attached to Dougall the Black Stranger de Seton.

View attached source here:
http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000039004466483&

There is no evidence that the name "Walter" is this man's name. Justin Swanstrom doubted the forename Walter. The only documented evidence is "Dougall" de Seton. This document comes from the Seaton family, who published a book. Please go to the attached sources for this profile.

Respectfully submitted,
katherine

http://www.mocavo.com/Woodhull-Genealogy-the-Woodhull-Family-in-Eng...

This Book "Source" states a lot on the decent of Walter de Flanders and how his family bore 3 Crescents instead of one as bore by the Castellans of Cambray.

Ian, that's a style of speculation often found in Victorian times. It's now very clear that many families adopted coats of arms based on the arms of their feudal overlords, or just for no known reason. Both of those are especially true of very common charges like crescents.

Not everyone accepts her theory, but Beryl Platts made quite a name for herself with a theory that heraldry originated with a system used at the court of Charlemagne. Her idea was that crescents were adopted by the the 2nd sons in a family. She explicitly says this is why (she thinks) Lambert of Lens' descendants used crescents in their arms.

http://www.mocavo.com/Woodhull-Genealogy-the-Woodhull-Family-in-Eng...

Here is the entire book on the above link.

Text from Document

PART FIRST.
NORMANDY AND FLANDERS IN THE CONQUEST.
It has been said that Normandy and Flanders, in the olden days of
chivalry, kept almost side by side in dignity, prosperity and prowess.
History tells ns that Matilda of Flanders, and her brave Knights,
many of whom were Noblemen of high degree, joined William of
Normandy in his great undertaking in 1066, and in return, Flanders,
as well as Normandy, was richly rewarded with castles and lands in
newly conquered England.
Among the names which occur in the lists of the Conquerors of
England, may be found those of “Gerbod,” a son of Matilda by her
first husband, “‘Gilbert of Ghent/5 and “Walter of Flanders.” (See
“History of the Norman People,” by Edward A. Freeman, Vol. III.,
p. 312.)
The last of the three Flemish Knights above named, was of a
family derived from the Castellans of Cambray, of whom a Walter is
mentioned by Baldric of Noyon, in his Chronicle, as “Lord of the
Castle Lens” as early as 950 A. D.
According to Des Bois, in his “Dictionnaire de la Noblesse,” his
son Walter II., was constituted hereditary Castellan of Cambray, soon
after the above date, who had issue: I. Walter. II. Sicher, Bishop of
Cambray. III. Ada de Cambray, who married the Baron of Oissy, and
had issue Walter III., Castellan of Cambray in 1049.
Hugh I., son of Walter, had issue Hugh II., Viscount of Meaux,
living 1096, and Faistre D’Oissy, Advocate of Tournay 1098, ancestor
of the great house of Avesne.
“Walter Flanderensis or De Cambray, a younger brother, came to
England 1066, and 1086 held a great Barony in Bedford, Bucks, and
so forth, of which Woodhall or Wahull was the chief seat, and from
him descended the barons Wahull, by Writ 1295.”
(See Dugdale and Banks, “Dormant and Extinct Peerage.”)
“Walter, a younger son (of the house of Cambray), accompanied
the Conqueror in 1066. His descendants bore three crescents instead
of one, as borne by the Castellans of Cambray.”
(See Quartering One in Wodhull Achievement.)
“Walter (surnamed Flanderensis) obtained the Barony of Wahull,
Bedford, which he held in 1086.
“He had issue: I. Simon, from whom descended the Barons de
Wahull, by Writ 1295: II. William, father of Reiner: III. Walter,
who appears in York 1120.
“Reiner Flanderensis, the son of William, founded Kirkly Priory,
York. His son William Flanderensis granted lands at Wentworth to
Fountains Abbey.

Same answer.

Would just like to point out that "Black Stranger" (or "Black Foreigner") is a *literal* translation of the Gaelic "Dubhghall" (dub = dark or black, ghall = stranger). When used *by* the Irish it generally meant "a Viking".